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"You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine."

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  • X xenon

    @Larry I disagree. And also if you just look at the numbers historically - GDP growth has been higher under Democrat’s.

    But I disagree with the premise.

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    Larry
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    @xenon said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

    @Larry I disagree. And also if you just look at the numbers historically - GDP growth has been higher under Democrat’s.

    But I disagree with the premise.

    You can disagree all you want, but it won't change reality. Tell me which Democrat president caused the economy to improve, and I'll tell you what really happened.

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      #178

      The U.S. economy does not have a man at the helm pulling levers. To the extent that Congress and the President change the country, it's based on long-term consequences of meaningful legislation and overwhelmingly driven by the energy and talents of Americans.

      Sure, in time of crisis they can have outsized influence.

      Fundamental things like capital formation, incentives to create new businesses, the cost and outcomes of healthcare policy - these things Presidents and Congress definitely shape - but the effects are felt in the long term.

      The fundamentals of a country do not change with a new administration. Hypothetically, you couldn't rotate the government personalities of the UK, Canada and U.S. and start getting American-like economy figures coming out of Canada by putting Trump into place there.

      It's like moving a lumbering ocean liner. You can change the path by a few degrees and change where the ship will end up - but your destination is way off in the future.

      Doesn't it fundamentally go against conservative philosophy to think that one man in the government is in control of our economic destiny?

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        #179

        If the president has marginal effect on the economy, then why was just about everyone saying that the economy would crash if Trump were to be elected? Even the night of the election, there was teeth-gnashing about how the dow futures were down hundreds of points, and how this was just the beginning of what was about to happen.
        Was anyone wrong with this prediction? /sarcasm
        How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

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          xenon
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          #180

          I'd feel like I'd owe you an explanation if I was the opinion section of the NYT.

          Plenty of real experts that factor the likely effect of government into their business decisions have continued to make gobs of money.

          Also - wouldn't the left be naturally more prone to government-power worship relative to the right?

          Also - isn't the fact that there was a widespread belief that Trump would tank the market upon election (but didn't), more evidence that people put too much stock into the power of the Presidency?

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          • RainmanR Rainman

            If the president has marginal effect on the economy, then why was just about everyone saying that the economy would crash if Trump were to be elected? Even the night of the election, there was teeth-gnashing about how the dow futures were down hundreds of points, and how this was just the beginning of what was about to happen.
            Was anyone wrong with this prediction? /sarcasm
            How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

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            #181

            @Rainman said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

            If the president has marginal effect on the economy, then why was just about everyone saying that the economy would crash if Trump were to be elected? Even the night of the election, there was teeth-gnashing about how the dow futures were down hundreds of points, and how this was just the beginning of what was about to happen.
            Was anyone wrong with this prediction? /sarcasm
            How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

            I'm certainly no expert, but when I saw him on TV about 20 years ago, I said 'That guy's a bit of a twat, isn't he?'

            I haven't seen anything to make me revise this layman's opinion, except that I'd be willing to concede that I was incorrect in using the qualifier 'a bit of'.

            Incidentally, this has nothing to do with politics. You may indeed revel in having your country represented by such a man, if such be your predilection. The ends justify the means, after all.

            I know, I know, we should still respect the orifice.

            I was only joking

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            • RainmanR Rainman

              If the president has marginal effect on the economy, then why was just about everyone saying that the economy would crash if Trump were to be elected? Even the night of the election, there was teeth-gnashing about how the dow futures were down hundreds of points, and how this was just the beginning of what was about to happen.
              Was anyone wrong with this prediction? /sarcasm
              How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

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              @Rainman said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

              How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

              Every time.

              We even have a few here, not experts exactly, but wrong every time.

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                @Rainman said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                If the president has marginal effect on the economy, then why was just about everyone saying that the economy would crash if Trump were to be elected? Even the night of the election, there was teeth-gnashing about how the dow futures were down hundreds of points, and how this was just the beginning of what was about to happen.
                Was anyone wrong with this prediction? /sarcasm
                How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

                I'm certainly no expert, but when I saw him on TV about 20 years ago, I said 'That guy's a bit of a twat, isn't he?'

                I haven't seen anything to make me revise this layman's opinion, except that I'd be willing to concede that I was incorrect in using the qualifier 'a bit of'.

                Incidentally, this has nothing to do with politics. You may indeed revel in having your country represented by such a man, if such be your predilection. The ends justify the means, after all.

                I know, I know, we should still respect the orifice.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                about 20 years ago, I said 'That guy's a bit of a twat, isn't he?'

                That is known as occasionally impolite.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @Rainman said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                  If the president has marginal effect on the economy, then why was just about everyone saying that the economy would crash if Trump were to be elected? Even the night of the election, there was teeth-gnashing about how the dow futures were down hundreds of points, and how this was just the beginning of what was about to happen.
                  Was anyone wrong with this prediction? /sarcasm
                  How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

                  I'm certainly no expert, but when I saw him on TV about 20 years ago, I said 'That guy's a bit of a twat, isn't he?'

                  I haven't seen anything to make me revise this layman's opinion, except that I'd be willing to concede that I was incorrect in using the qualifier 'a bit of'.

                  Incidentally, this has nothing to do with politics. You may indeed revel in having your country represented by such a man, if such be your predilection. The ends justify the means, after all.

                  I know, I know, we should still respect the orifice.

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                  @Doctor-Phibes The doc always explains it with more humor than me.

                  I had a similar experience though. I have a close cousin who LOVED him in the Apprentice in the 2000s and aspired to be a business titan like him. Became obsessed with Wharton.

                  I was always on the other side explaining to him that the guy is just a shyster.

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                  • CopperC Copper

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                    about 20 years ago, I said 'That guy's a bit of a twat, isn't he?'

                    That is known as occasionally impolite.

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                    @Copper said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                    about 20 years ago, I said 'That guy's a bit of a twat, isn't he?'

                    That is known as occasionally impolite.

                    Not where I grew up it's not. And bear in mind, 'a bit of a twat' when re-calibrated for the fact that he was appearing on an American chat-show is roughly equivalent to 'What an unbelievable wanker' in the rest of the world.

                    'Occasionally impolite' is somebody who burps during mealtimes and doesn't say 'excuse me'. Not somebody who boasts about banging chicks and spends hours telling us how freaking awesome he is. That's the guy that gets his head pushed down the lavatory while there's a turd still floating in the pan.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Rainman said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                      If the president has marginal effect on the economy, then why was just about everyone saying that the economy would crash if Trump were to be elected? Even the night of the election, there was teeth-gnashing about how the dow futures were down hundreds of points, and how this was just the beginning of what was about to happen.
                      Was anyone wrong with this prediction? /sarcasm
                      How many times have experts been wrong about Trump?

                      I'm certainly no expert, but when I saw him on TV about 20 years ago, I said 'That guy's a bit of a twat, isn't he?'

                      I haven't seen anything to make me revise this layman's opinion, except that I'd be willing to concede that I was incorrect in using the qualifier 'a bit of'.

                      Incidentally, this has nothing to do with politics. You may indeed revel in having your country represented by such a man, if such be your predilection. The ends justify the means, after all.

                      I know, I know, we should still respect the orifice.

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                      #186

                      @Doctor-Phibes
                      I don't disagree at all, although not quite sure of what a twat is. I thought that was a derogatory thing to say about a female. Oh well, not in my lexicon anyway.

                      Where I disagree is where you say, "...this has nothing to do with politics." Seems to me that EVERYTHING is now under this massive tent called Politics, under the auspices of the media. Actually, the sweeping term Politics is about as definable as the term "twat."

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                        If the United States had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier than it did in March, about 36,000 fewer people would have died in the coronavirus outbreak, according to new estimates from Columbia University disease modelers. And 54,000 had it started two weeks earlier.

                        I wasn’t sure if I should post this here or in the “US has shitloads” thread.

                        So 36,000 to 54,000 lives could’ve been saved, and that is only as of May 3rd.

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          5927F763-20C1-4267-81EE-56F00F9567F5.jpeg

                          If the United States had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier than it did in March, about 36,000 fewer people would have died in the coronavirus outbreak, according to new estimates from Columbia University disease modelers. And 54,000 had it started two weeks earlier.

                          I wasn’t sure if I should post this here or in the “US has shitloads” thread.

                          So 36,000 to 54,000 lives could’ve been saved, and that is only as of May 3rd.

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                          Rainman
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                          @89th
                          "If the United States CCP had begun imposing social distancing measures warned the world even one week earlier than it did in March, about 36,000 fewer people would have died in the coronavirus outbreak, according to new estimates from Columbia University disease modelers. And 54,000 had it started two weeks earlier."

                          Not sure I was able to FIFY to make my point. Have you been able to find, or come across, the effect that would have occured if China had closed down international commercial flights when they closed down their domestic flights from Wuhan?

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                            The fallacy in 89th's assertion is that the federal government does not impose shutdowns. The states do. Can you imagine if Trump had done that unilaterally? He'd not be just Hitler, but Hitler squared!

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • 89th8 89th

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                              If the United States had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier than it did in March, about 36,000 fewer people would have died in the coronavirus outbreak, according to new estimates from Columbia University disease modelers. And 54,000 had it started two weeks earlier.

                              I wasn’t sure if I should post this here or in the “US has shitloads” thread.

                              So 36,000 to 54,000 lives could’ve been saved, and that is only as of May 3rd.

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                              @89th said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                              5927F763-20C1-4267-81EE-56F00F9567F5.jpeg

                              If the United States had begun imposing social distancing measures one week earlier than it did in March, about 36,000 fewer people would have died in the coronavirus outbreak, according to new estimates from Columbia University disease modelers. And 54,000 had it started two weeks earlier.

                              I wasn’t sure if I should post this here or in the “US has shitloads” thread.

                              So 36,000 to 54,000 lives could’ve been saved, and that is only as of May 3rd.

                              If this chart was not politically biased it would tell us how many more would have died if social distancing started a week later

                              And 2 weeks later

                              And the title would include "how early action saved lives"

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                                #191

                                Xenon, your knowledge about the economy comes from what you read. Your knowledge of presidents consists of Obama and Bush. I've watched how presidents affect the economy going all the way back to John F. Kennedy. I sat in line at gas stations. I saw the 21 plus % home loans. I saw the mortgage collapse created by the democrats. I saw the economy take off like a rocket under Reagan. I saw Bill Clinton take credit for the economic improvements created by a Republican Congress. So don't tell me about what you read in a book.

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                                  89th, if seat belt laws had been passed prior to the first sale of cars capable of speeds over 25 mph it would have saved more lives. That has just as much truth, and is just as stupid and just as much a piece of worthless information as your chart and your argument.

                                  Hell, lets go back even further... if someone has cut down that apple tree before Eve found it NOBODY would have died...

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                                    89th and xenon remind me of an old joke:

                                    Two guys are in a hot air balloon and are lost. So they decide to follow a small river. As they are floating through the air following the little river, they spot a man sitting on the bank, fishing.

                                    One of them yells down to the man fishing "where am i?" The man fishing yells up his answer.. "you're up there!"

                                    The continue to float through the air following the river. The guy who had yelled down to the man fishing said "I hope that accountant has a good day fishing." The other guy asks "how do you know he's an accountant?" The first guy says "by the answer he gave to my question.. it was 100% accurate, and 100% useless."

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                                    • LarryL Larry

                                      Xenon, your knowledge about the economy comes from what you read. Your knowledge of presidents consists of Obama and Bush. I've watched how presidents affect the economy going all the way back to John F. Kennedy. I sat in line at gas stations. I saw the 21 plus % home loans. I saw the mortgage collapse created by the democrats. I saw the economy take off like a rocket under Reagan. I saw Bill Clinton take credit for the economic improvements created by a Republican Congress. So don't tell me about what you read in a book.

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                                      @Larry said in "You're damn right I'm taking hydroxychloroquine.":

                                      Xenon, your knowledge about the economy comes from what you read. Your knowledge of presidents consists of Obama and Bush. I've watched how presidents affect the economy going all the way back to John at. Kennedy. I sat in line at gas stations. I saw the 21 plus % home loans. I saw the mortgage collapse created by the democrats. I saw the economy take off like a rocket under Reagan. I saw Bill Clinton take credit for the economic improvements created by a Republican Congress. So don't tell me about what you read in a book.

                                      That's a read of it. You can attribute those things to the President.

                                      But let's take the Reagan example - because I'm more familiar with it.

                                      The guy who defeated the malaise was Volcker. He started his rate raising during Carter, and the "fever" didn't break until after Reagan became President. Reagan actually put tremendous pressure on him to lower rates during his re-election bid. As I said - during emergencies, the President does come more into focus - so you're not wrong.

                                      But that's the exception and not the rule.

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                                        Larry
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                                        Bull shit.

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                                          I'm open to hearing why. I'm sure I have an over-simplified understanding of what went on then.

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