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  • LarryL Offline
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    Larry
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    The right to overthrow the government is in the Constitutiin.

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    • LarryL Larry

      The right to overthrow the government is in the Constitutiin.

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      89th
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      #14

      @larry said in Shaman:

      The right to overthrow the government is in the Constitutiin.

      Does it though?

      The only thing I can find is this:

      18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

      Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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      • 89th8 89th

        @larry said in Shaman:

        The right to overthrow the government is in the Constitutiin.

        Does it though?

        The only thing I can find is this:

        18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

        Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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        #15

        @89th said in Shaman:

        @larry said in Shaman:

        The right to overthrow the government is in the Constitutiin.

        Does it though?

        The only thing I can find is this:

        18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

        Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

        That's from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. But let's read that code in its entirity:

        "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

        —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

        —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

        Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

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        • LarryL Larry

          @89th said in Shaman:

          @larry said in Shaman:

          The right to overthrow the government is in the Constitutiin.

          Does it though?

          The only thing I can find is this:

          18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

          Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

          That's from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. But let's read that code in its entirity:

          "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

          —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

          —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

          Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

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          89th
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          @larry I think you have your documents mixed up

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            Doctor Phibes
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            The Constitution definitely favours people who dress up like stupid twats.

            "....And whosoever shalt dress up in a manner akin to a fool, then Dear Prudence shall come out to play, and she shall tell the Government that it shall shew no cause or impediment to his tomfoolery, neither shall he be ridiculed, nor shell he have nasturtiums cast upon him, and it his Right to place upon his stupid head a payre of Hornes."

            I was only joking

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            • LarryL Offline
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              Larry
              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              @89th said in Shaman:

              @larry I think you have your documents mixed up

              You're correct, I do. I quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. My mistake. Still, it clearly in the Declaration of Independence that the people have the right to abolish the government and institute a new one. I would assume then, that this means the Constitution plays second fiddle, and would be abolished as well, with the new government deciding whether or not to incorporate it into the new government or not, and how much on the Constitution might be kept.

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                xenon
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                #19

                If someone truly believed the election was stolen - the patriotic thing would be to try to overthrow the current illegitimate govt through any reasonable means. It doesn't even matter what the founding documents say, they assume basic trust.

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                  Jolly
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                  How do you know we're not.😈😈

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #21

                    Even Himmler thought he was doing the right thing. Still deserved to be hanged.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      Horace
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                      Sure of course. Righteousness should have consequences.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • LarryL Larry

                        @89th said in Shaman:

                        @larry I think you have your documents mixed up

                        You're correct, I do. I quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. My mistake. Still, it clearly in the Declaration of Independence that the people have the right to abolish the government and institute a new one. I would assume then, that this means the Constitution plays second fiddle, and would be abolished as well, with the new government deciding whether or not to incorporate it into the new government or not, and how much on the Constitution might be kept.

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                        @larry said in Shaman:

                        @89th said in Shaman:

                        @larry I think you have your documents mixed up

                        You're correct, I do. I quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. My mistake. Still, it clearly in the Declaration of Independence that the people have the right to abolish the government and institute a new one. I would assume then, that this means the Constitution plays second fiddle, and would be abolished as well, with the new government deciding whether or not to incorporate it into the new government or not, and how much on the Constitution might be kept.

                        The Declaration of Independence was exactly that... a declaration. It outlined why our country broke away from the monarchy and the ideals for which a new country/constitution/government would be formed.

                        So the Constitution was later created, and are where rights are outlined.

                        Those on January 6th were explicitly executing anti-Constitution acts, even if they thought it was just anti-Government. They were objecting to the government following election law and the constitution process regarding the election of leaders and the peaceful transfer of power, fueled by misinformation. Which was a shame, as I'm sure most involved love America and the constitution as much as anyone else.

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                          Larry
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @89th said in Shaman:

                          @larry said in Shaman:

                          @89th said in Shaman:

                          @larry I think you have your documents mixed up

                          You're correct, I do. I quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. My mistake. Still, it clearly in the Declaration of Independence that the people have the right to abolish the government and institute a new one. I would assume then, that this means the Constitution plays second fiddle, and would be abolished as well, with the new government deciding whether or not to incorporate it into the new government or not, and how much on the Constitution might be kept.

                          The Declaration of Independence was exactly that... a declaration. It outlined why our country broke away from the monarchy and the ideals for which a new country/constitution/government would be formed.

                          So the Constitution was later created, and are where rights are outlined.

                          I'm aware of that. And, because the Constitution was written for the purpose of implementing those ideals, it is our right as citizens to abolish that Constitution if it strays from those ideals.

                          Those on January 6th were explicitly executing anti-Constitution acts, even if they thought it was just anti-Government. They were objecting to the government following election law and the constitution process regarding the election of leaders and the peaceful transfer of power, fueled by misinformation. Which was a shame, as I'm sure most involved love America and the constitution as much as anyone else.

                          Bull shit. Pure, unadulterated bull shit.

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