The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha
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@jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
It would shock me if he was convicted of anything but the misdemeanor.
The DA is making a case that there was no imminent threat to Rittenhouse's life when he fired his rifle.
A lot about "what the hell were you doing there anyway?"
wrote on 10 Nov 2021, 23:53 last edited by@george-k said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
It would shock me if he was convicted of anything but the misdemeanor.
The DA is making a case that there was no imminent threat to Rittenhouse's life when he fired his rifle.
A lot about "what the hell were you doing there anyway?"
That would apply to the first degree murder charge, since the DA must prove intent.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2021, 23:57 last edited by George K 11 Nov 2021, 00:01
One of the things that the DA tried to introduce into evidence was a photo of Rittenhouse at a bar in Wisconsin, with his friends.
He was wearing a sweatshirt that said, "Free as Fuck!"
Judge denied it, saying that what Rittenhouse did FOUR MONTHS AFTER the incident is irrelevant.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2021, 23:59 last edited by
The prosecutor should just enter into evidence that the defendant is a white conservative male, and be done with it.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 01:49 last edited by
There seems to be some thought that the prosecution is purposefully shooting for a mistrial?
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There seems to be some thought that the prosecution is purposefully shooting for a mistrial?
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 02:35 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
There seems to be some thought that the prosecution is purposefully shooting for a mistrial?
There is no way that's not happening.
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The exception still applies. Transporting across state lines is a problem. Justice could charge him under Federal law, but if they do this after an acquittal, it would certainly have political fallout.
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 09:03 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Nov 2021, 09:24@jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
The exception still applies. Transporting across state lines is a problem. Justice could charge him under Federal law, but if they do this after an acquittal, it would certainly have political fallout.
Of course they should prosecute him on the transport charge, and his mother too for driving him, if the law allows it. That crime ultimately resulted in two deaths. If you didn’t charge it in this case, when would you?
(Assuming they can show the gun was transported from IL, last I recall that was in question but I haven’t followed this at all or read anything about it since last year)
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@jolly said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
The exception still applies. Transporting across state lines is a problem. Justice could charge him under Federal law, but if they do this after an acquittal, it would certainly have political fallout.
Of course they should prosecute him on the transport charge, and his mother too for driving him, if the law allows it. That crime ultimately resulted in two deaths. If you didn’t charge it in this case, when would you?
(Assuming they can show the gun was transported from IL, last I recall that was in question but I haven’t followed this at all or read anything about it since last year)
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:21 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Of course they should prosecute him on the transport charge
His attorneys in the double murder case maintain that Rittenhouse did not bring the assault-style rifle from Illinois to Wisconsin prior to last month's killings. They say the rifle was owned legally by a Wisconsin friend and handed over to Rittenhouse the afternoon of the killings as he and a friend tried to help police defend Kenosha businesses that came under siege by looters and vandals. They maintain under Wisconsin law it is legal for the friend, not a minor, to have provided the rifle to Rittenhouse.
Rittenhouse is charged with possession of a dangerous weapon, not with transport across state lines or possession of a stolen or illegal weapon.
Further, Rittenhouse's attorneys contend that he never crossed the Illinois border at all that day because he had slept at a friend's place the previous evening so he could go to work as a Kenosha pool lifeguard.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:28 last edited by
But...
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/how-did-kyle-rittenhouse-have-gun/
A 17-year-old can’t legally own a firearm in Wisconsin except for hunting purposes and with the permission of a legal guardian, according to the Giffords Law Center. In Illinois, where Rittenhouse lives, people under 21 can only own a gun legally if a parent or guardian who meets the eligibility criteria to own a gun signs off on their child owning a gun.
Lin Wood!
open carry is legal in Wisconsin, but not for minors.
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@jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
Of course they should prosecute him on the transport charge
His attorneys in the double murder case maintain that Rittenhouse did not bring the assault-style rifle from Illinois to Wisconsin prior to last month's killings. They say the rifle was owned legally by a Wisconsin friend and handed over to Rittenhouse the afternoon of the killings as he and a friend tried to help police defend Kenosha businesses that came under siege by looters and vandals. They maintain under Wisconsin law it is legal for the friend, not a minor, to have provided the rifle to Rittenhouse.
Rittenhouse is charged with possession of a dangerous weapon, not with transport across state lines or possession of a stolen or illegal weapon.
Further, Rittenhouse's attorneys contend that he never crossed the Illinois border at all that day because he had slept at a friend's place the previous evening so he could go to work as a Kenosha pool lifeguard.
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@jon-nyc said in The FBI withheld exculpatory evidence - The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@jolly said in The FBI withheld exculpatory evidence:
Kid's a dumbass, but he should walk. It's clearly self-defense.
Yes on all three counts
You and @Jolly forgot to mention that he was pretty damn solid, too. Debate all you want about whether he should have been there, but when the shit went down? Solid. I mean, there should be recruiters from the SEALS and Rangers waiting to talk to this kid in hallway.
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:33 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
You and @Jolly forgot to mention that he was pretty damn solid, too. Debate all you want about whether he should have been there, but when the shit went down? Solid. I mean, there should be recruiters from the SEALS and Rangers waiting to talk to this kid in hallway.
I would think they care about judgement, too. I’m sure some big city swat team would hire him.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:33 last edited by
Wisconsin state law allows a minor (I think 16 or 17) to be in possession of a rifle. Lots of deer hunters up there. He wasn't trying to conceal the rifle and Wisconsin is Open Carry. Unless there is a city ordinance, he might have a legal weapon ..
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@george-k you could have quoted the second half of my post George. I haven’t followed this, I assumed Jolly had and he mentioned transport.
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:34 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@george-k you could have quoted the second half of my post George.
Where you said, "(Assuming they can show the gun was transported from IL, last I recall that was in question but I haven’t followed this at all or read anything about it since last year)"?
I didn't because you said you didn't know or that it was unclear, so I tried to clarify.
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But...
https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/how-did-kyle-rittenhouse-have-gun/
A 17-year-old can’t legally own a firearm in Wisconsin except for hunting purposes and with the permission of a legal guardian, according to the Giffords Law Center. In Illinois, where Rittenhouse lives, people under 21 can only own a gun legally if a parent or guardian who meets the eligibility criteria to own a gun signs off on their child owning a gun.
Lin Wood!
open carry is legal in Wisconsin, but not for minors.
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:34 last edited by"When you start manufacturing facts to support false accusations, you get into trouble under the law of defamation."
When this is all said and done, I wonder who comes out richer?
Nicholas Sandmann or Rittenhouse?
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@george-k you could have quoted the second half of my post George. I haven’t followed this, I assumed Jolly had and he mentioned transport.
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:35 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
@george-k you could have quoted the second half of my post George. I haven’t followed this, I assumed Jolly had and he mentioned transport.
I was going by the news reports. Court testimony has been different.
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"When you start manufacturing facts to support false accusations, you get into trouble under the law of defamation."
When this is all said and done, I wonder who comes out richer?
Nicholas Sandmann or Rittenhouse?
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:39 last edited by George K 11 Nov 2021, 12:41@improviso said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
BTW, Wood is NOT his lawyer now. It looks like he might have been originally.
Ms. Rittenhouse claims on the podcast that two of #FightBack’s leaders—Wood and conservative firebrand John Pierce—latched onto her son’s case for their own personal reasons.
“They used Kyle to gain money, gain Twitter followers,” Ms. Rittenhouse told Law&Crime. “I felt now they didn’t care about Kyle.”
The mother has cut ties with #FightBack to start a new legal defense fund for her son under her control called FreeKyleUSA, and she claims that Wood and Pierce have ignored repeated requests to open up their books.
“He used my son’s image to make profit off of that. And I asked for an accounting of it. And I never got it. I was ignored,” Ms. Rittenhouse said of Wood in an interview with Law&Crime. “They used a 17-year-old kid’s image for their own political shit.”
“I asked Lin, where’s the money?” Ms. Rittenhouse recalled separately. “I wanted to see the books, like the accounting books.”
In an email, Wood denied receiving any request for an audit and said FightBack would be “perfectly willing to undergo any audit required by law.”
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wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:44 last edited by Improviso 11 Nov 2021, 12:45
Pretty much what they did to Sandmann. Look how that turned out.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 12:49 last edited by
The gun was transported across state lines afterwards… Didn’t the boy turn it in to police at his home?
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The gun was transported across state lines afterwards… Didn’t the boy turn it in to police at his home?
wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 13:25 last edited by@lufins-dad said in The Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha:
The gun was transported across state lines afterwards… Didn’t the boy turn it in to police at his home?
If that's the case he could be charged. Doesn't matter whether he turned it into the police or not.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 13:33 last edited by
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Tucker: By the time Kyle Rittenhouse testified, he already won the case
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LeBron James mocks Rittenhouse's courtroom tears to millions of followers
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wrote on 11 Nov 2021, 13:44 last edited by
Also Tucker: "Kyle Rittenhouse shoots and kills child molester."
