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  • MikM Offline
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    #10

    If push comes to shove - more flies with honey than vinegar and all that - I'd explain to your agent that she could be responsible for any damage to the house while she was there without you and if she won't help she'll be named in the suit as well.

    But I'd pull that trigger as a very last resort. Put together your info first. You may have plenty to support your case without her.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      If push comes to shove - more flies with honey than vinegar and all that - I'd explain to your agent that she could be responsible for any damage to the house while she was there without you and if she won't help she'll be named in the suit as well.

      But I'd pull that trigger as a very last resort. Put together your info first. You may have plenty to support your case without her.

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      @mik said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

      If push comes to shove - more flies with honey than vinegar and all that - I'd explain to your agent that she could be responsible for any damage to the house while she was there without you and if she won't help she'll be named in the suit as well.

      But I'd pull that trigger as a very last resort. Put together your info first. You may have plenty to support your case without her.

      Yeah, we spoke with her again. It seems her thing is that she didn't want our shenanigans about the pipe to mess with the house offer. I think it's insane to presume the offer is going to stand as-is, all things considered, but we agreed, so we'll see what the inspection and the buyer have to say before we make any kind of a decision.

      We're being cool, but collecting information, and we will be raining down a world of shit about this if we have to.

      After flushing one toilet in the house, there's a pool of water on the floor. Yeah, it's going to be very easy to prove this happened today.

      Please love yourself.

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      • MikM Offline
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        wrote on last edited by
        #12

        Get pictures. One picture is worth....

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          #13

          Got a plumber to come in and give an estimate. Had him send me written confirmation of the appointment to prove we didn't learn of the leak from the inspection report, which we'll get tomorrow.

          Please love yourself.

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          • MikM Mik

            Get pictures. One picture is worth....

            Aqua LetiferA Offline
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            @mik said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

            Get pictures. One picture is worth....

            👍

            Please love yourself.

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              Got a plumber to come in and give an estimate. Had him send me written confirmation of the appointment to prove we didn't learn of the leak from the inspection report, which we'll get tomorrow.

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              @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

              Got a plumber to come in and give an estimate. Had him send me written confirmation of the appointment to prove we didn't learn of the leak from the inspection report, which we'll get tomorrow.

              Excellent.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Inspect the crime scene for fingerprints, or footprints on the pipes.

                I think the inspector stepped on the pipe to get a look at something.

                Holmes would spot this immediately, Watson never in a million years.

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                  LuFins Dad
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                  Is this the first offer that you have received?

                  The Brad

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                    Man, sorry to hear this happened. Hope it gets resolved.

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      Is this the first offer that you have received?

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      @lufins-dad said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                      Is this the first offer that you have received?

                      Yeah. After 70+ showings. So hopes are not high.

                      Nothing wrong with our place, it's just not like the rest of the market in this area, which right now consists of townhomes.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @lufins-dad said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                        Is this the first offer that you have received?

                        Yeah. After 70+ showings. So hopes are not high.

                        Nothing wrong with our place, it's just not like the rest of the market in this area, which right now consists of townhomes.

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                        @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                        @lufins-dad said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                        Is this the first offer that you have received?

                        Yeah. After 70+ showings. So hopes are not high.

                        Nothing wrong with our place, it's just not like the rest of the market in this area, which right now consists of townhomes.

                        I would think that would make your home more in demand…

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                          @lufins-dad said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                          Is this the first offer that you have received?

                          Yeah. After 70+ showings. So hopes are not high.

                          Nothing wrong with our place, it's just not like the rest of the market in this area, which right now consists of townhomes.

                          I would think that would make your home more in demand…

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                          @lufins-dad said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                          @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                          @lufins-dad said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                          Is this the first offer that you have received?

                          Yeah. After 70+ showings. So hopes are not high.

                          Nothing wrong with our place, it's just not like the rest of the market in this area, which right now consists of townhomes.

                          I would think that would make your home more in demand…

                          That puzzled me for years

                          The homes in my old neighborhood had 3,000+ sq ft, maybe .75 acres and cost around $800K

                          Just a few blocks away people were paying $700-750K for a townhome with 2,500 sq ft, 2 parking places and no privacy and no land.

                          What the heck?

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            Apologies if I can't respond immediately here—still dealing with the situation.

                            My wife and I have had 70+ house showings in the past month. (This is important for later.) We received an offer last week, and the house inspection was scheduled for today. According to our real estate agent, the inspector, two real estate agents, and the buyer showed up for this inspection. My wife and I saw four people outside when we pulled in, so this tracks.

                            We get inside our house after everyone left, and our septic pipe in the basement is cracked, with a flood on the floor. Quite obviously, we think this has something to do with the randos in our house as this has never, ever happened before in all of our years living here.

                            They're claiming it was like that when they came in, and it's part of the house's problems.

                            I've already sent pictures to a plumber. He's of the opinion that yes, definitely, it could have been caused by some jackass standing or sitting on the pipe. There's also the record of well over 100 people being in our house in the past month—no one has ever mentioned water on the floor in the basement, and we've received dozens and dozens of comments back from the showings.

                            Our real estate agent, too, is actually siding with the inspector and other agents. She's telling us it's probably been like this the whole time, we just never noticed. Which is horseshit for take your pick of obvious reasons.

                            There was a 3D walkthrough done with the house a few months back. I captured some screenshots. No crack from that time, and it's obvious from the angle.

                            My whole thing is, I am not paying for this. I just don't know the proper avenue to take here, other than lawyer up. Anyone else have experience with this?

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                            @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                            Our real estate agent, too, is actually siding with the inspector and other agents.

                            That is weird. Seems like she is "working" for the wrong side.

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                              Sorry for your travails, @Aqua-Letifer.
                              Hope you get a good resolution and a good offer soon.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @mik said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                                If push comes to shove - more flies with honey than vinegar and all that - I'd explain to your agent that she could be responsible for any damage to the house while she was there without you and if she won't help she'll be named in the suit as well.

                                But I'd pull that trigger as a very last resort. Put together your info first. You may have plenty to support your case without her.

                                Yeah, we spoke with her again. It seems her thing is that she didn't want our shenanigans about the pipe to mess with the house offer. I think it's insane to presume the offer is going to stand as-is, all things considered, but we agreed, so we'll see what the inspection and the buyer have to say before we make any kind of a decision.

                                We're being cool, but collecting information, and we will be raining down a world of shit about this if we have to.

                                After flushing one toilet in the house, there's a pool of water on the floor. Yeah, it's going to be very easy to prove this happened today.

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                                @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                                We're being cool, but collecting information, and we will be raining down a world of shit about this if we have to.

                                The best path, prepare as much in the information armory as you can, but also hope the existing transaction can proceed. Also, I'm not sure what the cost is to repair but consider the bigger picture of the sale of the house in case that trumps what is/isn't fair regarding the pipe situation.

                                Also, @jon-nyc and @Mik please bookmark this thread so we can reference it later when Aqua discusses his chili recipes.

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                                  @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                                  We're being cool, but collecting information, and we will be raining down a world of shit about this if we have to.

                                  The best path, prepare as much in the information armory as you can, but also hope the existing transaction can proceed. Also, I'm not sure what the cost is to repair but consider the bigger picture of the sale of the house in case that trumps what is/isn't fair regarding the pipe situation.

                                  Also, @jon-nyc and @Mik please bookmark this thread so we can reference it later when Aqua discusses his chili recipes.

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                                  @89th said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                                  We're being cool, but collecting information, and we will be raining down a world of shit about this if we have to.

                                  The best path, prepare as much in the information armory as you can, but also hope the existing transaction can proceed. Also, I'm not sure what the cost is to repair but consider the bigger picture of the sale of the house in case that trumps what is/isn't fair regarding the pipe situation.

                                  Also, @jon-nyc and @Mik please bookmark this thread so we can reference it later when Aqua discusses his chili recipes.

                                  Thing is, buyers are gonna bail. I'd bet quite a bit on that. Buyer was pissed when he drove off. I thought he was gonna hit something. Our realtor is delusional.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                    @89th said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in So, Our House Inspection Flooded Our Basement.:

                                    We're being cool, but collecting information, and we will be raining down a world of shit about this if we have to.

                                    The best path, prepare as much in the information armory as you can, but also hope the existing transaction can proceed. Also, I'm not sure what the cost is to repair but consider the bigger picture of the sale of the house in case that trumps what is/isn't fair regarding the pipe situation.

                                    Also, @jon-nyc and @Mik please bookmark this thread so we can reference it later when Aqua discusses his chili recipes.

                                    Thing is, buyers are gonna bail. I'd bet quite a bit on that. Buyer was pissed when he drove off. I thought he was gonna hit something. Our realtor is delusional.

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      Apologies if I can't respond immediately here—still dealing with the situation.

                                      My wife and I have had 70+ house showings in the past month. (This is important for later.) We received an offer last week, and the house inspection was scheduled for today. According to our real estate agent, the inspector, two real estate agents, and the buyer showed up for this inspection. My wife and I saw four people outside when we pulled in, so this tracks.

                                      We get inside our house after everyone left, and our septic pipe in the basement is cracked, with a flood on the floor. Quite obviously, we think this has something to do with the randos in our house as this has never, ever happened before in all of our years living here.

                                      They're claiming it was like that when they came in, and it's part of the house's problems.

                                      I've already sent pictures to a plumber. He's of the opinion that yes, definitely, it could have been caused by some jackass standing or sitting on the pipe. There's also the record of well over 100 people being in our house in the past month—no one has ever mentioned water on the floor in the basement, and we've received dozens and dozens of comments back from the showings.

                                      Our real estate agent, too, is actually siding with the inspector and other agents. She's telling us it's probably been like this the whole time, we just never noticed. Which is horseshit for take your pick of obvious reasons.

                                      There was a 3D walkthrough done with the house a few months back. I captured some screenshots. No crack from that time, and it's obvious from the angle.

                                      My whole thing is, I am not paying for this. I just don't know the proper avenue to take here, other than lawyer up. Anyone else have experience with this?

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                                        I'm surprised you haven't fired your realtor yet.

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                                          I'm not understanding some parts of this. You use the word "septic".... do you have a septic tank setup, or are you connected to a city sewer? If you're connected to a city sewer line, there's supposed to be a "backcheck valve" built into the sewer line outside your house and in the pipe underground. This is to stop sewage from coming INTO your house. It allows the sewage to get out of the house, but closes the pipe off inside to any liquid coming toward the house.

                                          Sewage oing through your pipes only happens when you flush a toilet, run a shower, a sink, etc. But you say none of you were home, so there's no reason for sewage to be going through the pipe anyway. Second, if one of the people inspecting your house used a toilet that's not enough liquid to cause sewage to be all over the floor, even if the pipe had a chunk missing.

                                          A crack you had to look for, not matter the size of the crack, those people in your house couldn't possibly run enough water or flush enough toilets to cause this. So my guess is that you're on a city sewer line, and either the backcheck in the line failed (which is the city's responsibility) or there isn't one in the line, in which case you've just been lucky until now. But you used the word septic... although everything else points to you being connected to the utility company's sewer system.

                                          Second... what material is the pipe made of, and why is it exposed in the first place? Depending on the age of the house, it would either be cast iron, or PVC (plastic) pipe. If it's PVC, why is it exposed? Is the crack in a straight pipe section, or in an elbow, or did a pipe joint fail?

                                          I'm just not getting a clear enough picture of the situation - but it sounds to me like what has happened is the city sewer system backed up in the lines and your backcheck failed.

                                          But I could possibly not be understanding what you're talking about at all..

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