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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    In my opinion, I think most big big companies will continue to have move "forward" with requiring vaccines.

    Maybe some of the smaller sized companies will delay while waiting for final court resolution.

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      In my opinion, I think most big big companies will continue to have move "forward" with requiring vaccines.

      Maybe some of the smaller sized companies will delay while waiting for final court resolution.

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      @taiwan_girl said in Not so fast...:

      In my opinion, I think most big big companies will continue to have move "forward" with requiring vaccines.

      Maybe some of the smaller sized companies will delay while waiting for final court resolution.

      I don’t think most companies really give a rat patootie about their employees vaccination status and will only truly comply when there’s no choice.

      There will be a few big companies that will comply just because the vaxxed screaming idiots are louder than the unvax screaming idiots.

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        @taiwan_girl said in Not so fast...:

        In my opinion, I think most big big companies will continue to have move "forward" with requiring vaccines.

        Maybe some of the smaller sized companies will delay while waiting for final court resolution.

        I don’t think most companies really give a rat patootie about their employees vaccination status and will only truly comply when there’s no choice.

        There will be a few big companies that will comply just because the vaxxed screaming idiots are louder than the unvax screaming idiots.

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        @lufins-dad said in Not so fast...:

        There will be a few big companies that will comply just because the vaxxed screaming idiots are louder than the unvax screaming idiots.

        Sadly, that is true

        If it was my big company I would mandate the vax for people that are worth keeping. I would let the second string skip it.

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @taiwan_girl said in Not so fast...:

          In my opinion, I think most big big companies will continue to have move "forward" with requiring vaccines.

          Maybe some of the smaller sized companies will delay while waiting for final court resolution.

          I don’t think most companies really give a rat patootie about their employees vaccination status and will only truly comply when there’s no choice.

          There will be a few big companies that will comply just because the vaxxed screaming idiots are louder than the unvax screaming idiots.

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          @lufins-dad said in Not so fast...:

          @taiwan_girl said in Not so fast...:

          In my opinion, I think most big big companies will continue to have move "forward" with requiring vaccines.

          Maybe some of the smaller sized companies will delay while waiting for final court resolution.

          I don’t think most companies really give a rat patootie about their employees vaccination status and will only truly comply when there’s no choice.

          There will be a few big companies that will comply just because the vaxxed screaming idiots are louder than the unvax screaming idiots.

          I guess my thinking is that most big companies (and I am thinking of Fortune 500 companies) already have plans and procedures in place. Big companies hate uncertainty. So, rather than stop any vacciation plans and then 3 or 4 months later having to restart them again, (and maybe stop again), I think they will just continue as is. If in the future, the vaccine/testing requirements are not allowed, maybe they will quietly drop their own requirements.

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          • MikM Offline
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            Disagree. Continuing to press vaccination now that the requirement has been stopped opens them up to liability if it gets squashed permanently. I think they will quietly stall for the moment. Saw a number of protests outside buildings this week.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Like anything pop culture, such as variations of wokeness or pro-vax zealotry, large corporations, whose customers are denizens of pop culture, will make their decisions entirely on their actuarial computations of how it affects their business value.

              Education is extremely important.

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                Short of an existential threat, that’s as it should be.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Part of the corporate calculation is how zealous the culture will be in canceling them if they do not conform. That zealotry is part of the culture. We've even given our current zealotry a name - cancel culture. A term left-leaning souls will reliably scoff at. Cancel culture is neither as it must be nor as it should be. Pop cultural whims don't need to dictate how individuals at corporations choose to behave. You can lay that notion directly at the feet of our progressive-dominated culture.

                  "But Trump", say your local TDS suffering centrists.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Lyin' Joe:

                    Link to video

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                    @george-k Did you watch the video you posted? He said he wouldn’t mandate vaccines for all Americans. Has he reneged on that?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @george-k Did you watch the video you posted? He said he wouldn’t mandate vaccines for all Americans. Has he reneged on that?

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                      @jon-nyc said in Not so fast...:

                      @george-k Did you watch the video you posted? He said he wouldn’t mandate vaccines for all Americans. Has he reneged on that?

                      We get it, Jon. He hasn’t mandated employers of a certain size force vaccinations, but instead mandated they require vaccination OR an onerous and expensive testing requirement that will result in them likely just pursuing a vaccine requirement. That is so much better. 🙄

                      The Brad

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                        NOBODY that I've heard of, is doing the testing - they went straight to mandate.

                        Also, the rumor is that the Brandon Administration already has plans to mandate 50-99 employee businesses in the near future.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          I thought that if you worked for a company with fewer than 100 employees, the virus won't bother you.

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                            Nah, that number only works for protests and Democrat fund-raising events.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              NOBODY that I've heard of, is doing the testing - they went straight to mandate.

                              Also, the rumor is that the Brandon Administration already has plans to mandate 50-99 employee businesses in the near future.

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                              @jolly said in Not so fast...:

                              NOBODY that I've heard of, is doing the testing - they went straight to mandate.

                              As if it wasn't obvious that they would. Let's see, do I want to make the employees get a free vaccination or do I want to pay for weekly testing?

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                @jolly said in Not so fast...:

                                NOBODY that I've heard of, is doing the testing - they went straight to mandate.

                                As if it wasn't obvious that they would. Let's see, do I want to make the employees get a free vaccination or do I want to pay for weekly testing?

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                                @mik said in Not so fast...:

                                @jolly said in Not so fast...:

                                NOBODY that I've heard of, is doing the testing - they went straight to mandate.

                                As if it wasn't obvious that they would. Let's see, do I want to make the employees get a free vaccination or do I want to pay for weekly testing?

                                Correct.

                                Those who argued there was a loophole in the mandated vax we're just blowing smoke ...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  P&G workers say to get ready for shutdowns if the mandate goes forward.

                                  https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2021/11/08/whos-protesting-vaccination-mandates-p-g/6343059001/

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    P&G workers say to get ready for shutdowns if the mandate goes forward.

                                    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2021/11/08/whos-protesting-vaccination-mandates-p-g/6343059001/

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                                    @mik said in Not so fast...:

                                    P&G workers say to get ready for shutdowns if the mandate goes forward.

                                    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2021/11/08/whos-protesting-vaccination-mandates-p-g/6343059001/

                                    Word is there are thousands of Federal Employees standing their ground, too.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @jon-nyc said in Not so fast...:

                                      @george-k Did you watch the video you posted? He said he wouldn’t mandate vaccines for all Americans. Has he reneged on that?

                                      We get it, Jon. He hasn’t mandated employers of a certain size force vaccinations, but instead mandated they require vaccination OR an onerous and expensive testing requirement that will result in them likely just pursuing a vaccine requirement. That is so much better. 🙄

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                                      @lufins-dad said in Not so fast...:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Not so fast...:

                                      @george-k Did you watch the video you posted? He said he wouldn’t mandate vaccines for all Americans. Has he reneged on that?

                                      We get it, Jon. He hasn’t mandated employers of a certain size force vaccinations, but instead mandated they require vaccination OR an onerous and expensive testing requirement that will result in them likely just pursuing a vaccine requirement. That is so much better. 🙄

                                      It doesn’t sound like you (collectively) get it when talking about the constitutionality of it. Because OSHA mandating testing is materially different than OSHA mandating a shot in the arm. And the court won’t rule on company implementations, they’ll rule on the mandate itself.

                                      They still may strike it down, but it would be on highly technical reasons relating to OSHA’s enabling laws, not on vaccine mandates themselves, which the court ruled on decades ago.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        Disagree. Continuing to press vaccination now that the requirement has been stopped opens them up to liability if it gets squashed permanently. I think they will quietly stall for the moment. Saw a number of protests outside buildings this week.

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                                        @mik said in Not so fast...:

                                        Disagree. Continuing to press vaccination now that the requirement has been stopped opens them up to liability if it gets squashed permanently. I think they will quietly stall for the moment. Saw a number of protests outside buildings this week.

                                        I am not sure about that. Private companies have a lot of ability to require things for their employees.

                                        And I think the US supreme court has already ruled in favor of schools and companies that have required vaccines and said that they are legal to do that.

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