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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #22

    They said earlier it occurred while filming.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • Catseye3C Catseye3

      @89th I don't rule any of these out, but I can't really buy your #1. What's to practice? You point and shoot. Is there anybody who hasn't seen a movie actor do this a thousand times?

      To this day, street skells point their guns sideways thinking that's the correct and therefore kewl way to do it -- all unknowing that that positioning was the brainchild of a film director who devised it as a means of pointing the weapon without obscuring the shooter's hand.

      As for the other two, I can't think about them now; my brain is shut down by the thunder of the feet of a thousand onrushing lawyers.

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      Aqua Letifer
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      #23

      @catseye3 said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

      @89th I don't rule any of these out, but I can't really buy your #1. What's to practice? You point and shoot. Is there anybody who hasn't seen a movie actor do this a thousand times?

      Actors practice what they do. That's why it looks good in the movies.

      Please love yourself.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #24

        Baldwin-730x0.jpeg

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @catseye3 said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

          @89th I don't rule any of these out, but I can't really buy your #1. What's to practice? You point and shoot. Is there anybody who hasn't seen a movie actor do this a thousand times?

          Actors practice what they do. That's why it looks good in the movies.

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          Catseye3
          wrote on last edited by
          #25

          @aqua-letifer said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

          Actors practice what they do. That's why it looks good in the movies.

          I don't know about that, but I'll bet actors will check the quote-unquote firearms THEMSELVES from now on before a take.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • MikM Offline
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            #26

            For a while. Then the memory will fade.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              For a while. Then the memory will fade.

              Aqua LetiferA Offline
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              Aqua Letifer
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              #27

              @mik said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

              For a while. Then the memory will fade.

              Yep. Like in '93.

              Please love yourself.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                @89th said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                They practiced shooting real guns to better understand how to properly handle one in the movie.
                Someone bought fake/bang bullets not realizing they were real bullets.
                Someone set up Alec, big time.

                1. There may be real guns on set, but there should never, ever, ever, be real rounds o a movie set.
                2. Absolute bullshit. A .45 LC blank: alt text

                Or, you can seat a cardboard or fiber wad over the powder charge. In either case, there is no bullet visible at the end of the case.
                3. Maybe. That would certainly be interesting.
                4. Or maybe somebody was screwing around on set, popping tin cans, etc. That should never happen and would be a big no-no.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @89th said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                  They practiced shooting real guns to better understand how to properly handle one in the movie.
                  Someone bought fake/bang bullets not realizing they were real bullets.
                  Someone set up Alec, big time.

                  1. There may be real guns on set, but there should never, ever, ever, be real rounds o a movie set.
                  2. Absolute bullshit. A .45 LC blank: alt text

                  Or, you can seat a cardboard or fiber wad over the powder charge. In either case, there is no bullet visible at the end of the case.
                  3. Maybe. That would certainly be interesting.
                  4. Or maybe somebody was screwing around on set, popping tin cans, etc. That should never happen and would be a big no-no.

                  89th8 Offline
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                  @jolly you realize to the average uninformed person those TOTALLY look like normal bullets.

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                    Can a prop gun fire a real bullet if you load it with one?

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      Can a prop gun fire a real bullet if you load it with one?

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      #31

                      @klaus said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                      Can a prop gun fire a real bullet if you load it with one?

                      Depends on the prop.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • KlausK Klaus

                        Can a prop gun fire a real bullet if you load it with one?

                        Catseye3C Offline
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                        Catseye3
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                        #32

                        @klaus said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                        Can a prop gun fire a real bullet if you load it with one?

                        Amateur question here: Why would a prop gun have a firing pin?

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                          @klaus said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                          Can a prop gun fire a real bullet if you load it with one?

                          Amateur question here: Why would a prop gun have a firing pin?

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                          @catseye3 said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                          Amateur question here: Why would a prop gun have a firing pin?

                          Amateur answer here: Because you'd need it to "fire" a blank?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @catseye3 said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                            Amateur question here: Why would a prop gun have a firing pin?

                            Amateur answer here: Because you'd need it to "fire" a blank?

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                            @george-k Yes, some way to propel it . . . but couldn't it be some mechanism that was not configured to strike the middle part of a real bullet? Something more like a little paddle?

                            'K, I'll stop talking now.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            • Catseye3C Catseye3

                              @george-k Yes, some way to propel it . . . but couldn't it be some mechanism that was not configured to strike the middle part of a real bullet? Something more like a little paddle?

                              'K, I'll stop talking now.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #35

                              @catseye3 said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                              @george-k Yes, some way to propel it . . . but couldn't it be some mechanism that was not configured to strike the middle part of a real bullet? Something more like a little paddle?

                              'K, I'll stop talking now.

                              Believe me, @Jolly will know a lot more about this than just about anyone here.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                A blank is exactly the same as a regular bullet except for the payload and the gunpowder charge is about 50% of a normal round.

                                The Brad

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                                • 89th8 89th

                                  @jolly you realize to the average uninformed person those TOTALLY look like normal bullets.

                                  MikM Offline
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                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @89th said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                                  @jolly you realize to the average uninformed person those TOTALLY look like normal bullets.

                                  But that is not who we are talking about. there are strict work safety rules that have to be followed regarding handling prop guns on movie and theatrical sets.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    @89th said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                                    @jolly you realize to the average uninformed person those TOTALLY look like normal bullets.

                                    But that is not who we are talking about. there are strict work safety rules that have to be followed regarding handling prop guns on movie and theatrical sets.

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    @mik said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                                    @89th said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                                    @jolly you realize to the average uninformed person those TOTALLY look like normal bullets.

                                    But that is not who we are talking about. there are strict work safety rules that have to be followed regarding handling prop guns on movie and theatrical sets.

                                    And on the sets, the guys handling the weapons are trained specifically on those weapons as well.

                                    The Brad

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                                      #39

                                      By law, there has to be an "armorer" on set. He is responsible for all weapons.

                                      You have to be very careful with the loads in blanks. I believe (some don't) in the theory of detonation, whereby light loads of faster burning smokeless powders, which are supposed to undergo a controlled burn, instead undergo an intracase explosion at the end of the case with destructive consequences.

                                      And even when loading blanks correctly the wad will exit at high velocity, causing tissue damage if somebody is close enough.

                                      Baldwin's accident sounds like a bullet, not a blank. And don't forget, bullets pass through people and keep right on going. Wouldn't be hard to shoot two people with one bullet.

                                      Somebody has made a gigantic goof. There is a rumor floating around that the weapon had been used a day or two ago with live ammo. Head-banging stupid on the part of the armorer, to have a live round anywhere in the vicinity of a movie set.

                                      Secondly, and I can't emphasize this enough, never point a gun at something you don't intend to kill. Even in the movies, you don't have to draw a bead on the targeted person to make it look real.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        By law, there has to be an "armorer" on set. He is responsible for all weapons.

                                        You have to be very careful with the loads in blanks. I believe (some don't) in the theory of detonation, whereby light loads of faster burning smokeless powders, which are supposed to undergo a controlled burn, instead undergo an intracase explosion at the end of the case with destructive consequences.

                                        And even when loading blanks correctly the wad will exit at high velocity, causing tissue damage if somebody is close enough.

                                        Baldwin's accident sounds like a bullet, not a blank. And don't forget, bullets pass through people and keep right on going. Wouldn't be hard to shoot two people with one bullet.

                                        Somebody has made a gigantic goof. There is a rumor floating around that the weapon had been used a day or two ago with live ammo. Head-banging stupid on the part of the armorer, to have a live round anywhere in the vicinity of a movie set.

                                        Secondly, and I can't emphasize this enough, never point a gun at something you don't intend to kill. Even in the movies, you don't have to draw a bead on the targeted person to make it look real.

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                                        George K
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                                        @jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                                        Even in the movies, you don't have to draw a bead on the targeted person to make it look real.

                                        Indeed. As I've said many times, I don't own a firearm, but I respect the training and education that's involved in the responsible ownership of one.

                                        So, was Baldwin just "goofing around?"

                                        There are lots of tragedies reported with people just "goofing around" with firearms.

                                        Here's another.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Baldwin always been very anti-gun. I suspect he doesn't know anymore than what he's learned in the movies.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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