Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 15:04 last edited by
From Dr. Brene Brown: "Joy is probably the most difficult emotion to really feel. In a culture of deep scarcity, of never feeling safe, certain, and sure enough, joy can feel like a setup and we are always waiting for the other shoe to drop."
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 15:29 last edited by
I don't know. That seems like a very nihilistic viewpoint. Living presents challenges and risks. That's no reason to deny joy. I suppose some folks do I don't.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 15:34 last edited by
Yes, Brene is confused
I'm not surprised, because so were her/his parents when they chose that name
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I don't know. That seems like a very nihilistic viewpoint. Living presents challenges and risks. That's no reason to deny joy. I suppose some folks do I don't.
wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 15:37 last edited by Catseye3 10 Nov 2021, 15:39@mik I wouldn't call it nihilistic. Depressive, maybe. I suppose it must also depend on one's definition of 'joy'. For some people, watching their cats play cat soccer meets their criterion of joy; others require a more intensive experience. Some people are more vulnerable to worry than others, etc.
This forum does tend toward focus on the worrisome. When I redd this quote TNCR jumped right into my head.
It might also have to do with my own life experience of the last several years. Could be worse, but not exactly joyful.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 15:50 last edited by
Happiness is incidental. We evolved to survive, not to be happy. Survival requires attention to threats, hence worry.
If you want to hear people lie about how happy they are, ask them in a public context about how happy they are. They will feel competitive with everybody else's claims about how happy they are, and, in order to serve their status seeking instincts, will claim to be at least as happy as everybody else.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 15:56 last edited by
Well, I'm certainly happier than you. And you. And you.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 16:11 last edited by
Wanna be happy?
Create it.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 16:19 last edited by
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 16:28 last edited by
In my experience, it doesn't take much to fuck things up and make me anxious and less-than-happy, and when things start piling up, so does the anxiety. I seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying, sometimes although not always with good reason.
I think joy is easier than happiness. Joy is transitory, happiness is more of a permanent thing.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 16:30 last edited by
Happiness can be permanent, but it takes almost constant attention and hard work to ensure that you never sober up.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 16:45 last edited by
I'm 67, I had my annual physical today and I'm fine.
And I got the pneumonia vaccine injected into the same arm where the flu vaccine went a week ago.
Joy! How could I be happier? Full of vaccines and 2 grandchildren to play with.
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I'm 67, I had my annual physical today and I'm fine.
And I got the pneumonia vaccine injected into the same arm where the flu vaccine went a week ago.
Joy! How could I be happier? Full of vaccines and 2 grandchildren to play with.
wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 16:59 last edited by@copper said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:
I'm 67, I had my annual physical today and I'm fine.
And I got the pneumonia vaccine injected into the same arm where the flu vaccine went a week ago.
Joy! How could I be happier? Full of vaccines and 2 grandchildren to play with.
Exactly. We never know true joy until we understand what's important.
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@copper said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:
I'm 67, I had my annual physical today and I'm fine.
And I got the pneumonia vaccine injected into the same arm where the flu vaccine went a week ago.
Joy! How could I be happier? Full of vaccines and 2 grandchildren to play with.
Exactly. We never know true joy until we understand what's important.
wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 17:19 last edited by@larry said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:
We never know true joy until we understand what's important.
I kind of feel the same way about real worry.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 18:58 last edited by
I think that, in the absence of real problems, you are about as happy as you make up your mind to be,
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Happiness can be permanent, but it takes almost constant attention and hard work to ensure that you never sober up.
wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 19:12 last edited by@horace said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:
Happiness can be permanent, but it takes almost constant attention and hard work to ensure that you never sober up.
Failing that, a pair of VR goggles works quite well.
UNTIL THE FREAKING BATTERIES DIE!
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From Dr. Brene Brown: "Joy is probably the most difficult emotion to really feel. In a culture of deep scarcity, of never feeling safe, certain, and sure enough, joy can feel like a setup and we are always waiting for the other shoe to drop."
wrote on 11 Oct 2021, 20:10 last edited by@catseye3 said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:
From Dr. Brene Brown: "Joy is probably the most difficult emotion to really feel. In a culture of deep scarcity, of never feeling safe, certain, and sure enough, joy can feel like a setup and we are always waiting for the other shoe to drop."
This quote brings to mind something I notice when listening to leftist podcasts, such as the New York Times sponsored Ezra Klein podcast. In a female dominated culture, such as the American political left, one's own feelings become the central topic of discussion and inquiry.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2021, 01:11 last edited by
I am a pretty optimist person, so I think that it is possible to find happiness.
I agree with @Mik @Jolly @Aqua-Letifer say.
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In my experience, it doesn't take much to fuck things up and make me anxious and less-than-happy, and when things start piling up, so does the anxiety. I seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying, sometimes although not always with good reason.
I think joy is easier than happiness. Joy is transitory, happiness is more of a permanent thing.
wrote on 12 Oct 2021, 02:52 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:
I think joy is easier than happiness. Joy is transitory, happiness is more of a permanent thing.
Maybe happiness can be had more easily after you stop splitting hair between "joy" and "happiness"?
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wrote on 12 Oct 2021, 02:53 last edited by
Pre-occupation with happiness is probably a luxury pre-occupation.
