Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR

[Catseye3]

From Dr. Brene Brown: "Joy is probably the most difficult emotion to really feel. In a culture of deep scarcity, of never feeling safe, certain, and sure enough, joy can feel like a setup and we are always waiting for the other shoe to drop."

[Mik]

I don't know. That seems like a very nihilistic viewpoint. Living presents challenges and risks. That's no reason to deny joy. I suppose some folks do I don't.

[Copper]

Yes, Brene is confused

I'm not surprised, because so were her/his parents when they chose that name

[Catseye3]

@mik I wouldn't call it nihilistic. Depressive, maybe. I suppose it must also depend on one's definition of 'joy'. For some people, watching their cats play cat soccer meets their criterion of joy; others require a more intensive experience. Some people are more vulnerable to worry than others, etc.

This forum does tend toward focus on the worrisome. When I redd this quote TNCR jumped right into my head.

It might also have to do with my own life experience of the last several years. Could be worse, but not exactly joyful.

[Horace]

Happiness is incidental. We evolved to survive, not to be happy. Survival requires attention to threats, hence worry.

If you want to hear people lie about how happy they are, ask them in a public context about how happy they are. They will feel competitive with everybody else's claims about how happy they are, and, in order to serve their status seeking instincts, will claim to be at least as happy as everybody else.

[Mik]

Well, I'm certainly happier than you. And you. And you.

[Catseye3]

@mik Yes, I believe that.

[Jolly]

Wanna be happy?

Create it.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:

Wanna be happy?

Create it.

[Doctor Phibes]

In my experience, it doesn't take much to fuck things up and make me anxious and less-than-happy, and when things start piling up, so does the anxiety. I seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying, sometimes although not always with good reason.

I think joy is easier than happiness. Joy is transitory, happiness is more of a permanent thing.

[Horace]

Happiness can be permanent, but it takes almost constant attention and hard work to ensure that you never sober up.

[Copper]

I'm 67, I had my annual physical today and I'm fine.

And I got the pneumonia vaccine injected into the same arm where the flu vaccine went a week ago.

Joy! How could I be happier? Full of vaccines and 2 grandchildren to play with.

[Larry]

@copper said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:

I'm 67, I had my annual physical today and I'm fine.

And I got the pneumonia vaccine injected into the same arm where the flu vaccine went a week ago.

Joy! How could I be happier? Full of vaccines and 2 grandchildren to play with.

Exactly. We never know true joy until we understand what's important.

[Doctor Phibes]

@larry said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:

We never know true joy until we understand what's important.

I kind of feel the same way about real worry.

[Mik]

I think that, in the absence of real problems, you are about as happy as you make up your mind to be,

[Doctor Phibes]

@horace said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:

Happiness can be permanent, but it takes almost constant attention and hard work to ensure that you never sober up.

Failing that, a pair of VR goggles works quite well.

UNTIL THE FREAKING BATTERIES DIE!

[Horace]

@catseye3 said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:

From Dr. Brene Brown: "Joy is probably the most difficult emotion to really feel. In a culture of deep scarcity, of never feeling safe, certain, and sure enough, joy can feel like a setup and we are always waiting for the other shoe to drop."

This quote brings to mind something I notice when listening to leftist podcasts, such as the New York Times sponsored Ezra Klein podcast. In a female dominated culture, such as the American political left, one's own feelings become the central topic of discussion and inquiry.

[taiwan_girl]

I am a pretty optimist person, so I think that it is possible to find happiness.

I agree with @Mik @Jolly @Aqua-Letifer say.

[Axtremus]

@doctor-phibes said in Thought Peculiarly Appropriate for TNCR:

I think joy is easier than happiness. Joy is transitory, happiness is more of a permanent thing.

Maybe happiness can be had more easily after you stop splitting hair between "joy" and "happiness"?

[Horace]

Pre-occupation with happiness is probably a luxury pre-occupation.