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Masks vs. Ventilation

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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
    wrote on last edited by
    #5

    If there is a comprehensive list of mask pros and cons I haven't seen it.

    The list will need a weight beside each item so we can calculate the exact score.

    The most effective argument I have heard so far is 'shut up'.

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      There are sooo many factors at play.

      1. Let’s say that masks catch 1 of 10 virus particles, is it worth it? Is it helping?

      2. When wearing a mask, I tend to breathe more shallowly. Is that having an effect? Am I less likely to pull in a virus because I am not pulling air as hard?

      3. The mask also makes it a little more difficult to interact with other people. I tend to have quicker interactions with people. It also serves as a reminder and I tend to keep a little more distance from people. That definitely has an effect.

      How much of a masks effectiveness comes from the actual physical barrier and how much does it come from influencing people’s behaviors? I think mostly the latter.

      At the end of the day, it’s a small enough thing to do, and it’s not worth the screaming and histrionics from both sides of the debate.

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      Aqua Letifer
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      #6

      @lufins-dad said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

      At the end of the day, it’s a small enough thing to do,

      Fully agreed.

      and it’s not worth the screaming and histrionics from both sides of the debate.

      You could write a 12-volume set of the number of things this should currently be applied to.

      Please love yourself.

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #7

        Now the big question is regarding students. We've got two problems... The antimask crowd is pointing at the numbers from the original COVID strain and proclaiming children shouldn't wear masks, ignoring the fact that Delta is a completely different beast and is more highly transmissible in children. The other side is exaggerating the transmission levels in children without having any actual numbers to back it up. They are also ignoring the fact that there ARE some severe negatives to mask usage for younger children, especially in a school setting and let's face it, good luck in controlling proper mask usage with first and second graders...

        The Brad

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          89th
          wrote on last edited by
          #8

          For students, including my 3 year old starting preschool in two weeks, I feel like it’s pretty dumb to think a mask in the classroom will prevent a spread when students and the teacher I’m fine to the same room all day. So I think wearing a mask on the bus and in the hallway, sure, but not in the actual classroom.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            89th
            wrote on last edited by
            #9

            Regarding overall mask efficacy, at the end of the day if someone is sick and sneezing near me would I want them or not want them to wear a mask? Of course wearing a mask… even if it helps just a little bit. The same thought applies for our small part in helping get beyond the pandemic.

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            • 89th8 89th

              Regarding overall mask efficacy, at the end of the day if someone is sick and sneezing near me would I want them or not want them to wear a mask? Of course wearing a mask… even if it helps just a little bit. The same thought applies for our small part in helping get beyond the pandemic.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              @89th said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

              Regarding overall mask efficacy, at the end of the day if someone is sick and sneezing near me would I want them or not want them to wear a mask? Of course wearing a mask… even if it helps just a little bit. The same thought applies for our small part in helping get beyond the pandemic.

              The spread isn't coming from people with those types of symptoms. The spread is primarily coming from the presymptomatic and the asymptomatic. If somebody is symptomatic and going out and about, they need to have their asses kicked.

              The Brad

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #11

                The kids at the local school think it's cool to trade masks.

                Dude, I'll let you have my Mickey Mouse for your Power Ranger!

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  The kids at the local school think it's cool to trade masks.

                  Dude, I'll let you have my Mickey Mouse for your Power Ranger!

                  CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #12

                  @jolly kids destined for the Villages.

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                  • markM Offline
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                    #13

                    I don't always wear a mask. But when I do, it's an N95.

                    We were in Florida for the past two weeks. It's a freaking hot spot so we wore masks anytime we went into a store.

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                      George K
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                      #14

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #15

                        @george-k

                        Yeah, but did he research it online?

                        I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @george-k

                          Yeah, but did he research it online?

                          I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

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                          89th
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                          #16

                          @doctor-phibes said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

                          @george-k

                          Yeah, but did he research it online?

                          I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

                          I looked it up, I think the twitter convo was back in November last year and the author deleted her tweets, so I guess she kind of STFU'd?

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @george-k

                            Yeah, but did he research it online?

                            I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

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                            #17

                            @doctor-phibes said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

                            @george-k

                            Yeah, but did he research it online?

                            I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

                            And I'm a nuclear physicist.

                            Trust, but verify.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              @doctor-phibes said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

                              @george-k

                              Yeah, but did he research it online?

                              I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

                              I looked it up, I think the twitter convo was back in November last year and the author deleted her tweets, so I guess she kind of STFU'd?

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                              #18

                              @89th said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

                              I looked it up, I think the twitter convo was back in November last year and the author deleted her tweets, so I guess she kind of STFU'd?

                              No, she just stopped the convo. Her Twitter feed is a long, unending outpouring of anti-vaccination diarrhea.

                              I was only joking

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                              • CopperC Offline
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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #19

                                She probably has autism

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

                                  @george-k

                                  Yeah, but did he research it online?

                                  I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

                                  And I'm a nuclear physicist.

                                  Trust, but verify.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                  #20

                                  @jolly said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Masks vs. Ventilation:

                                  @george-k

                                  Yeah, but did he research it online?

                                  I'd love to see her response to that comeback. It would be too much to hope that she'd just STFU for ever.

                                  And I'm a nuclear physicist.

                                  Trust, but verify.

                                  Well, according to his LinkedIn page, he's a consultant anaesthetist. Kate Beliot doesn't seem to have a LinkedIn page.

                                  I was only joking

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