Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today
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@aqua-letifer said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
I would like it better if he had not completely fucked this up. And most of this shit was completely unavoidable. That's the point and the only thing that matters. That's why it's ludicrous to think talk is in any way valuable here.
I don't disagree that he screwed it up, my god, did he ever. But having done so, he -- and we -- are left with a mess, and now we must reach a solution. Either from him (unlikely) or from whoever has the cred to provide it to him. But the buck stops there, like he and others before him have said, and he's got to be the spox.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@catseye3 said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
I don't disagree that he screwed it up, my god, did he ever. But having done so, he -- and we -- are left with a mess, and now we must reach a solution.
Are you kidding me? The Taliban are going door to door to round up NATO collaborators. When they don't find them, they lock up their families and torture them to try to get the others to come out of hiding. There is no "solution." Kabul is fucked. No one's going to step up. The solution on the table in every Western country is to watch it burn. That's what everyone's so pissed about.
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@aqua-letifer Fine. Let it burn.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@catseye3 said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
@aqua-letifer Fine. Let it burn.
That's exactly what they're doing! That's the whole point. What the fuck, you think Joe's going to turn this around? He doesn't even want to, he's pulling out.
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PBS News Hour, asking the tough questions! Props, PBS.
No definitive answer about how we're helping those who are stuck and can't get to the airport. None. Just retreating to his initial decision to pull out.
Joke.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
No definitive answer about how we're helping those who are stuck and can't get to the airport.
You mean, like a solution?
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@catseye3 said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
@aqua-letifer said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
No definitive answer about how we're helping those who are stuck and can't get to the airport.
You mean, like a solution?
Like a plan of any kind other than "we're taking that very seriously."
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@aqua-letifer said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
PBS News Hour, asking the tough questions! Props, PBS.
No definitive answer about how we're helping those who are stuck and can't get to the airport. None. Just retreating to his initial decision to pull out.
Joke.
He should admit that he should've have a much stronger and more organized evacuation (etc) plan to get personnel and resources out. Instead he thinks people are criticizing the decision to leave, he's missing the point (as Jolly would tell me
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That ended very interestingly. "Why do you continue to trust the Taliban, Mr. President?" Just walks off.
He looked like freaking Nero.
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@catseye3 said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
You mean, like a solution?
As the Defense Department continues to stick to its plans of not reaching out into Kabul to assist U.S. personnel and Afghan helpers evacuate, British and French forces have done so to rescue their citizens, multiple outlets report.
The Daily Mail reported that London deployed an additional 300 troops to Kabul specifically to extract trapped British nationals earlier in the week. Within hours of touching down in Kabul, the British troops retrieved some 200 British nationals from around Kabul, the Telegraph reported. Prompting the mission were reports of Taliban hunting down former Afghan government officials, along with Britons stuck behind a web of Taliban checkpoints lining the route to the airport.Additionally, France 24 reports that the French military has been conducting similar operations since Monday. French President Emmanuel Macron thanked French security forces on Twitter for executing a ‘sensitive operation’ which evacuated more than 200 French and Afghans.
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If there weren’t 15K Americans and how many other foreign nationals and friendly Afghanis, this would be a hell of a time to surround that city with a whole bunch of special forces and tanks…
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@aqua-letifer said in Biden to speak on Afghanistan again today:
No definitive answer about how we're helping those who are stuck and can't get to the airport.
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Excerpt from Frank Bruni:
"Talking last month about the planned American exit from Afghanistan, President Biden prophesied an orderly retreat and scoffed at the idea that a Taliban takeover was inevitable.
"The Taliban takeover was swift. It caused harrowing scenes of chaos.
"As a soothsayer, Biden stinks, and that has been noted ad nauseam over the past few days. But it’s worth looking beyond his cracked crystal ball to the cracked mind-set that explains it.
"I don’t mean his. I mean our country’s. The United States — including many and probably most of our presidents — is routinely overconfident. We perpetually overreach. And while Biden obviously didn’t think we had the might to fix Afghanistan for good, he thought we had the muscle to flee Afghanistan without mortification. Call it a humbler strain of arrogance. It’s arrogance nonetheless."
More: "In a cleareyed and sobering analysis published in The New Yorker early this week, Robin Wright charted our comeuppances in Vietnam, in Lebanon, in Iraq and now in Afghanistan. “The repeated miscalculations challenge basic Washington policy-making as well as U.S. military strategy and intelligence capabilities,” she wrote. “Why wasn’t this looming calamity — or any of the earlier ones — anticipated? Or the exits better planned?”
"The answer to that is the principal reason for Biden’s bad fortunetelling. He gave us false assurances because he was falsely assured — by the stubborn image of America as a country with super, even magical, powers. No matter how many times that image is contradicted, it lives on, propelling us to achievement but also setting us up for catastrophe."
