Blowback?

[George K]

@loki said in Blowback?:

You mean the video evidence of the former police officer (Webster) with a flagpole assaulting a police officer and then while having him pinned on the ground appearing to try and gouge his eye out?

I haven't seen that video, and I'm not claiming he's innocent.

How many prisoners charged (not convicted) with aggravated assault are in solitary?

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Blowback?:

@aqua-letifer said in Blowback?:

A federal courthouse is not the capitol,

No, but both ae Federal buildings and the same law applies to both.

The law applies to both. But cherry-picking laws isn't going to make both examples identical.

Or, do we just make up shit as we go along?

I don't think you're wrong, I just don't see what there is to be overly concerned about. Further, part of the problem is inefficient processing but no one seems concerned about that.

[Loki]

@george-k said in Blowback?:

@loki said in Blowback?:

You mean the video evidence of the former police officer (Webster) with a flagpole assaulting a police officer and then while having him pinned on the ground appearing to try and gouge his eye out?

I haven't seen that video, and I'm not claiming he's innocent.

How many prisoners charged (not convicted) with aggravated assault are in solitary?

I have no idea. I am done until someone demonstrates to me that the treatment of Jan 6 is different. 70% already free vs the national average was enough for me to understand Jolly’s article was very selective and missed so much of the overall narrative.

I am very open to new evidence to the contrary.

[George K]

@loki said in Blowback?:

someone demonstrates to me that the treatment of Jan 6 is different.

I did that. Rioters in Portland who set fire to a federal courthouse were detained for three days before being released awaiting trial. Other charges included assaulting police, use of lasers, etc.

You're going by statistics, I'm going by individuals, all of whom were, arguably worse than the Jan 6 idiots. Look at the charges.

[Loki]

@george-k said in Blowback?:

@loki said in Blowback?:

someone demonstrates to me that the treatment of Jan 6 is different.

I did that. Rioters in Portland who set fire to a federal courthouse were detained for three days before being released awaiting trial. Other charges included assaulting police, use of lasers, etc.

You're going by statistics, I'm going by individuals, all of whom were, arguably worse than the Jan 6 idiots. Look at the charges.

Aqua says they are not the same. But setting that aside for the moment there is the opposite argument that whites get so much better treatment at protests than blacks or BLM or Antifa.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-12/the-us-capitol-riots-and-the-double-standard-of-protest-policing

[George K]

@loki said:

Aqua says they are not the same.

Is the capitol building "more valuable" than a federal courthouse in Portland?

I'd love to see the law on that.

[Aqua Letifer]

@george-k said in Blowback?:

I'd love to see the law on that.

Still a long way to go.

[Jolly]

@loki said in Blowback?:

@george-k said in Blowback?:

@loki said in Blowback?:

You mean the video evidence of the former police officer (Webster) with a flagpole assaulting a police officer and then while having him pinned on the ground appearing to try and gouge his eye out?

I haven't seen that video, and I'm not claiming he's innocent.

How many prisoners charged (not convicted) with aggravated assault are in solitary?

I have no idea. I am done until someone demonstrates to me that the treatment of Jan 6 is different. 70% already free vs the national average was enough for me to understand Jolly’s article was very selective and missed so much of the overall narrative.

I am very open to new evidence to the contrary.

Are you ignoring the word misdemeanor?

[Jolly]

@catseye3 said in Blowback?:

@jolly said in Blowback?:

I don't know what kind of justice system they have where you live, but in most of America, crowded or not, misdemeanors are arraigned on the next court business day, bail is granted, and the court date is set or not, depending on the court calendar and resources.

Sure, all nice and neat. What about when 1) there's no time left in the "next court business day" or 2) the defendant fails to appear or 3) the defendant is arrested on another charge while out on bail or 4) his publicly appointed lawyer's schedule is filled up on the "next business day"? Or the defendant shows up stoned because a guard slipped him something, and he's adjudged unable to stand for his own defense? Shall I go on?

1. Misdemeanors are blown through like shit through a goose. If you've ever propped your feet up in court, you know that. I will give you the fact that the Feds are pissed, but this has been handled like a vendetta, not justice
2. These defendents are in solitary confinement and many have been confined for many months. It is rather hard to skip bail when they won't give it to you. Do you think the person cited in the article is a flight risk?
3. The rest of your argument pegs the silly-ass meter out and has very little to do with this discussion.

[Loki]

@jolly said in Blowback?:

@loki said in Blowback?:

@george-k said in Blowback?:

@loki said in Blowback?:

You mean the video evidence of the former police officer (Webster) with a flagpole assaulting a police officer and then while having him pinned on the ground appearing to try and gouge his eye out?

I haven't seen that video, and I'm not claiming he's innocent.

How many prisoners charged (not convicted) with aggravated assault are in solitary?

I have no idea. I am done until someone demonstrates to me that the treatment of Jan 6 is different. 70% already free vs the national average was enough for me to understand Jolly’s article was very selective and missed so much of the overall narrative.

I am very open to new evidence to the contrary.

Are you ignoring the word misdemeanor?

I didn’t see misdemeanor mentioned in your article? I’m confused.

Who are you referring to?

[George K]

@loki said in Blowback?:

I didn’t see misdemeanor mentioned in your article? I’m confused

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-riot-jan-6-investigation-arrests-six-months

535 arrests.
70 still in jail.
239 people charged with at least one felony charge.

So, about 300 of the arrested were charged with misdemeanors.

Did I get that right?

As of last month, 70 still in jail.

[Loki]

@george-k said in Blowback?:

@loki said in Blowback?:

I didn’t see misdemeanor mentioned in your article? I’m confused

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-riot-jan-6-investigation-arrests-six-months

535 arrests.
70 still in jail.
239 people charged with at least one felony charge.

So, about 300 of the arrested were charged with misdemeanors.

Did I get that right?

As of last month, 70 still in jail.

Okay a bunch of folks arrested for misdemeanors but none in jail much less solitary confinement so the issue is their case has not been adjudicated and they haven’t had the chance to defend themselves?

I just want to make sure I understand what the issue is in context to where they are.

[George K]

@loki said in Blowback?:

Okay a bunch of folks arrested for misdemeanors but none in jail much less solitary confinement

We don't know that, do we? The article doesn't distinguish between misdemeanors and felonies.

And you didn't answer my earlier question about what non-Jan 6 arrestees are held in solitary after being accused (not convicted) of aggravated assault.

The proportion of defendants released from custody after their arrest has grown since a federal appeals court in March set the bar much higher for prosecutors to successfully argue that defendants should stay behind bars if they weren’t charged with assaulting cops, destroying property, or planning for violence.

So they only spent two months in solitary. That makes it better, to be sure.

[Catseye3]

Remember also that people are sometimes (often?) put in solitary for their own protection. (I want to use cops as an example, but I'm only halfway sure about that.)

[George K]

@catseye3 said in Blowback?:

Remember also that people are sometimes (often?) put in solitary for their own protection. (I want to use cops as an example, but I'm only halfway sure about that.)

Yes, I know. It would be interesting to see the documentation for their reasons.

Something tells me we won't.

[Catseye3]

@george-k said in Blowback?:

It would be interesting to see the documentation for their reasons.

Are we the people owed that?

[George K]

@catseye3 said in Blowback?:

@george-k said in Blowback?:

It would be interesting to see the documentation for their reasons.

Are we the people owed that?

I dunno.

Presumably it's a matter of public record.

If not, why not?

[Loki]

If we don’t know if people are in jail for misdemeanors we certainly can’t allege it. There are databases for everyone in jail and the charge, so an industrious person could easily figure it out. It’s all there.

So as of this moment we are aware of no one in jail for a misdemeanor correct?