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Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant

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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @axtremus said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:

    Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?

    I would also be curious about the “breakthrough” rate for those that had Alpha…

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    @lufins-dad said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:

    @axtremus said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:

    Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?

    I would also be curious about the “breakthrough” rate for those that had Alpha…

    Those are really good questions about variants and subsequent T-cell immunity...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • bachophileB bachophile

      Just a clarification. Severe means SaO2 under 93%.

      The thing I’m hearing is the vaxed may be severe, but they get downgraded quickly, short hospital stays and most discharged quickly. Unvaxxed have long stays, more intubated and more deaths.

      So yes vaxed have severe disease but it’s mostly short duration, high turnover of patients.

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      @bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:

      The thing I’m hearing is the vaxed may be severe, but they get downgraded quickly, short hospital stays and most discharged quickly.

      How sick to they get, and what is "quickly?"

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:

        The thing I’m hearing is the vaxed may be severe, but they get downgraded quickly, short hospital stays and most discharged quickly.

        How sick to they get, and what is "quickly?"

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        bachophile
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        @george-k have pneumonia but need ICU care for only a few days. No weeks long hospitalization. Recover more often than not

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?

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          bachophile
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          @axtremus said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:

          Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?

          Don’t have that. But delta has been here only about 4-5 months. Probably imported from England when travel was basically easy.

          So I think most breakthroughs are from alpha.

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            What about Long Covid? Cases not severe enough to be hospitalized, but long recovery and lingering nastiness… Any differences between vaccinated vs unvaccinated?

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              What about Long Covid? Cases not severe enough to be hospitalized, but long recovery and lingering nastiness… Any differences between vaccinated vs unvaccinated?

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              @lufins-dad said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:

              What about Long Covid? Cases not severe enough to be hospitalized, but long recovery and lingering nastiness… Any differences between vaccinated vs unvaccinated?

              Don’t have data on that

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                Dammit, Jim, he's a doctor, not a statistician!

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Now, for your trivial pleasure...

                  Dr. Leonard McCoy
                  "What am I, a doctor or a moon shuttle conductor?" (TOS: "The Corbomite Maneuver")
                  "My dear girl, I'm a doctor. When I peek, it is in the line of duty." (TOS: "Shore Leave")
                  "I don't know, Jim. This is a big ship. I'm just a country doctor." (TOS: "The Alternative Factor")
                  "Me, I'm a doctor. If I were an officer of the line…" (TOS: "A Taste of Armageddon")
                  "What do you mean what sort of work? I'm a doctor." (TOS: "This Side of Paradise")
                  "I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer." (TOS: "The Devil in the Dark")
                  …to which Kirk replies, "You're a healer, there's a patient. That's an order."
                  "I'm a surgeon, not a psychiatrist." (TOS: "The City on the Edge of Forever")
                  "I'm not a scientist or a physicist, Mr. Spock…" (TOS: "Metamorphosis")
                  "Look, I'm a doctor, not an escalator." (TOS: "Friday's Child")
                  "I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." (TOS: "The Doomsday Machine")
                  "I'm a doctor, not an engineer." (TOS: "Mirror, Mirror")
                  …to which Montgomery Scott immediately replied, "Now, you're an engineer."
                  "I'm not a magician, Spock, just an old country doctor." (TOS: "The Deadly Years")
                  "I will not peddle flesh! I'm a physician." (TOS: "Return to Tomorrow")
                  "I'm a doctor, not a coal miner." (TOS: "The Empath")
                  "I'm not a mechanic, Spock…" (TOS: "The Empath")
                  "I'm a doctor, Spock … a doctor! Get us beamed aboard!" (TAS: "Albatross")
                  Dr. Leonard McCoy (alternate reality)
                  "I don't need a doctor, damn it, I am a doctor!" (Star Trek)
                  "I'm a doctor, Jim, I'm busy!" (Star Trek)
                  "Damn it, man, I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" (Star Trek)
                  "Damn it, man, I'm a doctor, not a torpedo technician!" (Star Trek Into Darkness)
                  "Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a fu –" (beamed out) (Star Trek Beyond)

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    I've giv'n her all she's got captain, an' I canna give her no more.

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                      "I canna change laws of physics", as he beams a bunch of people instantaneously from the planet.

                      I was only joking

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