Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant
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Just a clarification. Severe means SaO2 under 93%.
The thing I’m hearing is the vaxed may be severe, but they get downgraded quickly, short hospital stays and most discharged quickly. Unvaxxed have long stays, more intubated and more deaths.
So yes vaxed have severe disease but it’s mostly short duration, high turnover of patients.
@bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Severe means SaO2 under 93%.
Hell I spent years under 93.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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I think that New Yorker article mik posted via piano dad ( strongly recommended) makes it clear
Waning antibodies allow breakthrough infection but T cell response immediately shuts down severe disease. And T cell response may have an enduring effect. Let’s hope.
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@bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Severe means SaO2 under 93%.
Hell I spent years under 93.
@jon-nyc said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
@bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Severe means SaO2 under 93%.
Hell I spent years under 93.
Well when it’s chronic that’s ok. U compensate. It’s a the acute setting which is more concerning.
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I’m glad to see the partially vaccinated data. We have a lot of partially vaccinated people but the articles I’ve seen have just focused on 1 group or the other.
I would be interested in see a comparison vs Alpha when everyone was unvaccinated.
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Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?
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Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?
@axtremus said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?
I would also be curious about the “breakthrough” rate for those that had Alpha…
The Brad
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@bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Severe means SaO2 under 93%.
Hell I spent years under 93.
@jon-nyc said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
@bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Severe means SaO2 under 93%.
Hell I spent years under 93.
Well, that explains a lot...
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@axtremus said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?
I would also be curious about the “breakthrough” rate for those that had Alpha…
@lufins-dad said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
@axtremus said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?
I would also be curious about the “breakthrough” rate for those that had Alpha…
Those are really good questions about variants and subsequent T-cell immunity...
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Just a clarification. Severe means SaO2 under 93%.
The thing I’m hearing is the vaxed may be severe, but they get downgraded quickly, short hospital stays and most discharged quickly. Unvaxxed have long stays, more intubated and more deaths.
So yes vaxed have severe disease but it’s mostly short duration, high turnover of patients.
@bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
The thing I’m hearing is the vaxed may be severe, but they get downgraded quickly, short hospital stays and most discharged quickly.
How sick to they get, and what is "quickly?"
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@bachophile said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
The thing I’m hearing is the vaxed may be severe, but they get downgraded quickly, short hospital stays and most discharged quickly.
How sick to they get, and what is "quickly?"
@george-k have pneumonia but need ICU care for only a few days. No weeks long hospitalization. Recover more often than not
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Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?
@axtremus said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
Any word on whether those actually infected by Delta and then recovered may get reinfected again by Delta?
Don’t have that. But delta has been here only about 4-5 months. Probably imported from England when travel was basically easy.
So I think most breakthroughs are from alpha.
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What about Long Covid? Cases not severe enough to be hospitalized, but long recovery and lingering nastiness… Any differences between vaccinated vs unvaccinated?
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What about Long Covid? Cases not severe enough to be hospitalized, but long recovery and lingering nastiness… Any differences between vaccinated vs unvaccinated?
@lufins-dad said in Israeli data on vaccines and Delta variant:
What about Long Covid? Cases not severe enough to be hospitalized, but long recovery and lingering nastiness… Any differences between vaccinated vs unvaccinated?
Don’t have data on that
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Dr. Leonard McCoy
"What am I, a doctor or a moon shuttle conductor?" (TOS: "The Corbomite Maneuver")
"My dear girl, I'm a doctor. When I peek, it is in the line of duty." (TOS: "Shore Leave")
"I don't know, Jim. This is a big ship. I'm just a country doctor." (TOS: "The Alternative Factor")
"Me, I'm a doctor. If I were an officer of the line…" (TOS: "A Taste of Armageddon")
"What do you mean what sort of work? I'm a doctor." (TOS: "This Side of Paradise")
"I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer." (TOS: "The Devil in the Dark")
…to which Kirk replies, "You're a healer, there's a patient. That's an order."
"I'm a surgeon, not a psychiatrist." (TOS: "The City on the Edge of Forever")
"I'm not a scientist or a physicist, Mr. Spock…" (TOS: "Metamorphosis")
"Look, I'm a doctor, not an escalator." (TOS: "Friday's Child")
"I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." (TOS: "The Doomsday Machine")
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…to which Montgomery Scott immediately replied, "Now, you're an engineer."
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Dr. Leonard McCoy (alternate reality)
"I don't need a doctor, damn it, I am a doctor!" (Star Trek)
"I'm a doctor, Jim, I'm busy!" (Star Trek)
"Damn it, man, I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" (Star Trek)
"Damn it, man, I'm a doctor, not a torpedo technician!" (Star Trek Into Darkness)
"Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a fu –" (beamed out) (Star Trek Beyond) -
I've giv'n her all she's got captain, an' I canna give her no more.
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"I canna change laws of physics", as he beams a bunch of people instantaneously from the planet.
