Masked Kids

[George K]

Do masks reduce Covid transmission in children? Believe it or not, we could find only a single retrospective study on the question, and its results were inconclusive.

I'm still looking for one that shows that COVID transmission is reduced in adults by wearing masks.

Marty Makary has been outspoken on the lack of science in making public health policy decisions.

[89th]

Our oldest is 3 and is scheduled to start preschool in a month. If the school district requires masks in the classroom for her, we will not be sending her. But we are lucky in that regard, since preschool is somewhat optional for us. If she were in kindergarten or above, we would send her with a mask.

And yes it pisses me off that this likely would not be an issue if we had a higher rate of vaccinated citizens.

[Jolly]

Follow the science. I'm not sure vaccination would have lowered the R value on the Delta variant enough to validate that claim.

[89th]

I am following the science.

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/delta-variant.html

1. Delta variant is highly contagious
As of July 22, nearly 80% of UC Davis Health patients who tested positive for COVID-19 had the Delta variant. According to the CDC during the same week, the Delta variant accounted for more than 80% of new cases in the U.S. Health experts say it's typical for a new strain of a virus to be more contagious because it often becomes much more efficient and easily transmitted.

2. Delta variant symptoms are the same
The symptoms of the Delta variant appear to be the same as the original version of COVID-19. However, physicians are seeing people getting sicker quicker, especially for younger people. Recent research found that the Delta variant grows more rapidly – and to much greater levels – in the respiratory tract.

Typically, vaccinated people are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms if they contract the Delta variant. Their symptoms are more like those of a common cold, such as cough, fever or headache, with the addition of significant loss of smell.

3. Delta variant is affecting unvaccinated people more
Most patients hospitalized at UC Davis Medical Center are people who have not received the COVID-19 vaccine. Nationally, 97% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, as of July 22. Vaccines are highly effective at preventing COVID-19 infection and are also effective in fighting against the Delta variant.

In California and across the U.S., data shows that areas with lower vaccination rates tend to have higher COVID-19 infection rates. Health experts urge that COVID-19 vaccines work to prevent severe disease, which may be fatal.

4. Breakthrough cases for vaccinated people are rare, but do happen
When a vaccinated person tests positive for COVID-19, most either have no symptoms or have very mild symptoms, and it rarely results in hospitalization or death. Their symptoms are more like those of a common cold, such as cough, fever or headache, with the addition of significant loss of smell.

As of July 22, there were 65,000 breakthrough cases (or people who are vaccinated but got COVID-19) among the 160 million people who are fully vaccinated. That's 0.04% of vaccinated people reporting breakthrough cases. No vaccine is 100% effective. With the COVID-19 vaccines averaging about 90% efficacy, health experts expect about 10% of those vaccinated could be infected.

5. Delta variant could be catastrophic in some communities
In communities with lower vaccination rates, particularly rural areas with limited access to care, the Delta variant could be even more damaging. This is already being seen around the world in poorer countries where the COVID-19 vaccine isn't as accessible. Health experts say the impact could be felt for decades to come.

6. Many unvaccinated patients with COVID-19 wish they had gotten the vaccine
UC Davis Health physicians have noted that a number of younger patients, when they come in with critical illness, say that they wish they would have gotten the COVID-19 vaccine. Many patients have told their physicians, "Why did I not get the vaccine?" or "Why did I not listen?"

7. Some experts are recommending to wear masks, even if you're fully vaccinated
Many health experts across the country are wearing masks themselves even though they're fully vaccinated against COVID-19. They're also advising vaccinated people to avoid large gatherings and mask up indoors where the vaccination status of other people is unknown.

8. More COVID-19 variants are likely to come
The Delta variant is currently the most prominent strain of COVID-19, but the Lambda variant out of South America is also emerging. Health experts urge that if people want to get back to normal, a significant portion of the population needs to be vaccinated. As long as a chunk of people across the world are unvaccinated, new strains of the virus will continue to develop and cause problems.

[Jolly]

Israel has vaccinated the snot out of their citizens, as has Iceland. Both are experiencing outbreaks.

[Horace]

@89th said in Masked Kids:

6. Many unvaccinated patients with COVID-19 wish they had gotten the vaccine
   UC Davis Health physicians have noted that a number of younger patients, when they come in with critical illness, say that they wish they would have gotten the COVID-19 vaccine. Many patients have told their physicians, "Why did I not get the vaccine?" or "Why did I not listen?"

Solid science.

[Loki]

Are lawsuits for inadequate protection a variable or not?

[Copper]

@loki said in Masked Kids:

Are lawsuits for inadequate protection a variable or not?

Can you plead your case based on politics?

[George K]

Can someone explain the really quick drop in cases in India?

Presumably, that's where delta got a foothold, and ravaged the country - until it went away.

[Jolly]

I know the answer to that and so do you. Want to wait for the rest of the class to catch up?