Spying?
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.
Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.
When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.
So every fishing expedition must be responded to?
This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.
Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.
Mr. Carlson clearly has verbal and written evidence.
Repeating over and over that he doesn’t won’t change that.
If he has written evidence, why isn't he showing it to us?
I'm not saying he doesn't, but if he has it, why all the drama?
I personally think he heard something but not much at all. I don’t think he made it up. Heck maybe the whistleblower doesn’t want to be identified and Tucker doesn’t even know who it is. Lots of possibilities here but investigations and getting the NSA or the FBI or the DOJ or whoever to comment just because would be really really bad. They could spend their entire lives just responding to those requests and then the100 questions that come after per request.
I know it’s TuCa and he’s a fave here but it were Maddow well then there would be hell to pay.
I would be interested in such an allegation from any prominent MSM talking head. Is there any precedent you have in mind that was tribally ignored by the right?
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.
Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.
When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.
So every fishing expedition must be responded to?
This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.
Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.
Mr. Carlson clearly has verbal and written evidence.
Repeating over and over that he doesn’t won’t change that.
If he has written evidence, why isn't he showing it to us?
I'm not saying he doesn't, but if he has it, why all the drama?
I personally think he heard something but not much at all. I don’t think he made it up. Heck maybe the whistleblower doesn’t want to be identified and Tucker doesn’t even know who it is. Lots of possibilities here but investigations and getting the NSA or the FBI or the DOJ or whoever to comment just because would be really really bad. They could spend their entire lives just responding to those requests and then the100 questions that come after per request.
I know it’s TuCa and he’s a fave here but it were Maddow well then there would be hell to pay.
I would be interested in such an allegation from any prominent MSM talking head. Is there any precedent you have in mind that was tribally ignored by the right?
I would too except that there literally is no evidence. Why can’t we ask TuCa for some help here?
Part of me wants the NSA to respond but the bigger part of me wants to understand first why TuCa and Fox are holding back.
I’m tired of drama and conspiracies. If you got something get it out and enough already (!) with the innuendo. It’s like we taught people to be too clever, too rhetorical and too insinuating and forgot about basic facts, reasoning and civility.
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Nobody could ever accuse me of being a cynic, but I don't suppose this whole thing is hurting his viewing figures.
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Y'all, this ain't rocket surgery.
- The tip is most likely verbal.
- Carlson does not want to burn his source.
I have no doubt at all that Carson's emails were pulled. They were, after all, to a foreign head of state. The question is really A) Was he unmasked? This seems likely, given a plethora of past cases. B) Was this intelligence to be weaponized and leaked?
About the only thing I'm actually curious about is B.
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Y'all, this ain't rocket surgery.
- The tip is most likely verbal.
- Carlson does not want to burn his source.
I have no doubt at all that Carson's emails were pulled. They were, after all, to a foreign head of state. The question is really A) Was he unmasked? This seems likely, given a plethora of past cases. B) Was this intelligence to be weaponized and leaked?
About the only thing I'm actually curious about is B.
Y'all, this ain't rocket surgery.
- The tip is most likely verbal.
- Carlson does not want to burn his source.
I have no doubt at all that Carson's emails were pulled. They were, after all, to a foreign head of state. The question is really A) Was he unmasked? This seems likely, given a plethora of past cases. B) Was this intelligence to be weaponized and leaked?
About the only thing I'm actually curious about is B.
I'm having fun with all this of course but I generally agree with the above.
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Tucker is furious with his employer, FOX, for not backing him up on the “spying” thing.
I suppose the two parties are not aligned. Maybe FOX is fair and balanced after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
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Tucker is furious with his employer, FOX, for not backing him up on the “spying” thing.
I suppose the two parties are not aligned. Maybe FOX is fair and balanced after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
Tucker is furious with his employer, FOX, for not backing him up on the “spying” thing.
I suppose the two parties are not aligned. Maybe FOX is fair and balanced after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
This is right in the story:
In a text to a CNN reporter Sunday night, Carlson called the allegation that he is angry with Fox executives “absurd.”
“I’m not mad at anyone at Fox,” he said. “If I was, I’d say so. I’m mad at you for lying relentlessly. What a loathsome person you are. Please print that.”
And yet you state the claim as if it were fact. A bit of gossip from an unnamed source about an alleged drama at Fox, that likely couldn't even be proven one way or the other.
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Tucker is furious with his employer, FOX, for not backing him up on the “spying” thing.
I suppose the two parties are not aligned. Maybe FOX is fair and balanced after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
This is right in the story:
In a text to a CNN reporter Sunday night, Carlson called the allegation that he is angry with Fox executives “absurd.”
“I’m not mad at anyone at Fox,” he said. “If I was, I’d say so. I’m mad at you for lying relentlessly. What a loathsome person you are. Please print that.”
And yet you state the claim as if it were fact. A bit of gossip from an unnamed source about an alleged drama at Fox, that likely couldn't even be proven one way or the other.
Tucker is furious with his employer, FOX, for not backing him up on the “spying” thing.
I suppose the two parties are not aligned. Maybe FOX is fair and balanced after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
This is right in the story:
In a text to a CNN reporter Sunday night, Carlson called the allegation that he is angry with Fox executives “absurd.”
“I’m not mad at anyone at Fox,” he said. “If I was, I’d say so. I’m mad at you for lying relentlessly. What a loathsome person you are. Please print that.”
And yet you state the claim as if it were fact. A bit of gossip from an unnamed source about an alleged drama at Fox, that likely couldn't even be proven one way or the other.
And yet Fox stays on the sidelines. It’s a canary in the coal mine but one is free to not hear it.
The one thing I find fascinating about events these days is that people are so willing to overlook the obvious, almost as if it is a false flag and find some alternative hypothetical darker intent. But heck we do live in the age of conspiracies. Not sure any smart person saw that coming as a reaction to science, at least not since the Enlightenment.
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Tucker is furious with his employer, FOX, for not backing him up on the “spying” thing.
I suppose the two parties are not aligned. Maybe FOX is fair and balanced after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
This is right in the story:
In a text to a CNN reporter Sunday night, Carlson called the allegation that he is angry with Fox executives “absurd.”
“I’m not mad at anyone at Fox,” he said. “If I was, I’d say so. I’m mad at you for lying relentlessly. What a loathsome person you are. Please print that.”
And yet you state the claim as if it were fact. A bit of gossip from an unnamed source about an alleged drama at Fox, that likely couldn't even be proven one way or the other.
And yet Fox stays on the sidelines. It’s a canary in the coal mine but one is free to not hear it.
The one thing I find fascinating about events these days is that people are so willing to overlook the obvious, almost as if it is a false flag and find some alternative hypothetical darker intent. But heck we do live in the age of conspiracies. Not sure any smart person saw that coming as a reaction to science, at least not since the Enlightenment.
Tucker is furious with his employer, FOX, for not backing him up on the “spying” thing.
I suppose the two parties are not aligned. Maybe FOX is fair and balanced after all.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
This is right in the story:
In a text to a CNN reporter Sunday night, Carlson called the allegation that he is angry with Fox executives “absurd.”
“I’m not mad at anyone at Fox,” he said. “If I was, I’d say so. I’m mad at you for lying relentlessly. What a loathsome person you are. Please print that.”
And yet you state the claim as if it were fact. A bit of gossip from an unnamed source about an alleged drama at Fox, that likely couldn't even be proven one way or the other.
And yet Fox stays on the sidelines. It’s a canary in the coal mine but one is free to not hear it.
The one thing I find fascinating about events these days is that people are so willing to overlook the obvious, almost as if it is a false flag and find some alternative hypothetical darker intent. But heck we do live in the age of conspiracies. Not sure any smart person saw that coming as a reaction to science, at least not since the Enlightenment.
Horace stomped your rumor. Please have the grace to admit defeat and move on to your next point.
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Loki considers himself to have established beyond any shadow of a doubt his own objectivity in all things political. Thus when he becomes righteously indignant over politically charged issues, it is the indignance of objectivity - and he does not countenance the existence of any reasonable opposition to that. That is, of course, how all righteousness works. That's what that emotion does to the human mind.
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Loki considers himself to have established beyond any shadow of a doubt his own objectivity in all things political. Thus when he becomes righteously indignant over politically charged issues, it is the indignance of objectivity - and he does not countenance the existence of any reasonable opposition to that. That is, of course, how all righteousness works. That's what that emotion does to the human mind.
Loki considers himself to have established beyond any shadow of a doubt his own objectivity in all things political. Thus when he becomes righteously indignant over politically charged issues, it is the indignancy of objectivity - and he does not countenance the existence of any reasonable opposition to that. That is, of course, how all righteousness works. That's what that emotion does to the human mind.
I’ve provided very reasonable approaches to understanding the nature of TuCa’s allegations. Unfortunately TuCa only makes allegations with no evidence at all and even his employer won’t back him up. How I am on thin ice is really quite fascinating. TuCa and many here demand a response from the NSA, but quizzingly make no such demand of the employer.
I would submit demanding the NSA respond when his employer won’t more aptly fits righteousness.
Somehow this unknown whistleblower who no one has ever talked to and emails that have never been shared are more important than sources that CNN is standing behind. I suspect more to come from this…TuCa, next move is yours.
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I think it's very possible that either the NSA or Tucker Carlson are completely full of shit regarding this story.
You guys are very quick to believe the media when it suits you. I know, I know, Tucker isn't part of the dreadful media that make shit up all the time. He's a Truth Teller.
I don't trust the government or Tucker.
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I think it's very possible that either the NSA or Tucker Carlson are completely full of shit regarding this story.
You guys are very quick to believe the media when it suits you. I know, I know, Tucker isn't part of the dreadful media that make shit up all the time. He's a Truth Teller.
I don't trust the government or Tucker.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
I think it's very possible that either the NSA or Tucker Carlson are completely full of shit regarding this story.
You guys are very quick to believe the media when it suits you. I know, I know, Tucker isn't part of the dreadful media that make shit up all the time. He's a Truth Teller.
I don't trust the government or Tucker.
Which is fine. But Tucker is talking about something that has happened multiple times over the past few years, to multiple people, generally of the same political bent.
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
I think it's very possible that either the NSA or Tucker Carlson are completely full of shit regarding this story.
You guys are very quick to believe the media when it suits you. I know, I know, Tucker isn't part of the dreadful media that make shit up all the time. He's a Truth Teller.
I don't trust the government or Tucker.
Which is fine. But Tucker is talking about something that has happened multiple times over the past few years, to multiple people, generally of the same political bent.
@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
I think it's very possible that either the NSA or Tucker Carlson are completely full of shit regarding this story.
You guys are very quick to believe the media when it suits you. I know, I know, Tucker isn't part of the dreadful media that make shit up all the time. He's a Truth Teller.
I don't trust the government or Tucker.
Which is fine. But Tucker is talking about something that has happened multiple times over the past few years, to multiple people, generally of the same political bent.
I agree 100% with what you said. Now if only his employer would back him up or some evidence is shared I’m on board for the ride.
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@doctor-phibes said in Spying?:
I think it's very possible that either the NSA or Tucker Carlson are completely full of shit regarding this story.
You guys are very quick to believe the media when it suits you. I know, I know, Tucker isn't part of the dreadful media that make shit up all the time. He's a Truth Teller.
I don't trust the government or Tucker.
Which is fine. But Tucker is talking about something that has happened multiple times over the past few years, to multiple people, generally of the same political bent.
I agree 100% with what you said. Now if only his employer would back him up or some evidence is shared I’m on board for the ride.
Now if only his employer would back him
You're obviously convinced that Fox's silence on the matter lends credence to one being skeptical of TuCa's comments.
I'm not sure that's a valid criticism.
If you say something, and your boss is silent on the issue, does that make your statement false? Because that's what you're implying, but not really saying.
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Now if only his employer would back him
You're obviously convinced that Fox's silence on the matter lends credence to one being skeptical of TuCa's comments.
I'm not sure that's a valid criticism.
If you say something, and your boss is silent on the issue, does that make your statement false? Because that's what you're implying, but not really saying.
Now if only his employer would back him
You're obviously convinced that Fox's silence on the matter lends credence to one being skeptical of TuCa's comments.
I'm not sure that's a valid criticism.
If you say something, and your boss is silent on the issue, does that make your statement false? Because that's what you're implying, but not really saying.
I just think TuCa is reaching and FOX hasn’t seen enough to run with a story.
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@jolly lol
Perhaps if you were a bit less ideologically committed you’d recognize the simple fact that anyone who’s job it is to be sensational 5 days a week is going to, shall we say, cut a lot of corners.
Especially when the suits at his network admit it outright in lawsuits brought about by just such corner-cutting.
@jolly lol
Perhaps if you were a bit less ideologically committed you’d recognize the simple fact that anyone who’s job it is to be sensational 5 days a week is going to, shall we say, cut a lot of corners.
Especially when the suits at his network admit it outright in lawsuits brought about by just such corner-cutting.
Oh, really......
Tell me... have they done this to Don Lemon, Have they done this to ANY of the leftwing media personalities whose job it is to, and I quote.. "be sensational 5 days a week"? There IS one big difference between what Carlson says that you call being "sensational" and what the left wing media types say that is also "sensational..... the "sensational" things Carlson says always get proven to be true, while every. Single. Thing. Said that's "sensationa" by the leftwing equivalents always turn out to not just be untrue, but in most cases downright lies .
So when you can show where even one of them are being treated the same way, you might need to accept the fact that it is you that is committed to an ideology, not Jolly.
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Loki considers himself to have established beyond any shadow of a doubt his own objectivity in all things political. Thus when he becomes righteously indignant over politically charged issues, it is the indignancy of objectivity - and he does not countenance the existence of any reasonable opposition to that. That is, of course, how all righteousness works. That's what that emotion does to the human mind.
I’ve provided very reasonable approaches to understanding the nature of TuCa’s allegations. Unfortunately TuCa only makes allegations with no evidence at all and even his employer won’t back him up. How I am on thin ice is really quite fascinating. TuCa and many here demand a response from the NSA, but quizzingly make no such demand of the employer.
I would submit demanding the NSA respond when his employer won’t more aptly fits righteousness.
Somehow this unknown whistleblower who no one has ever talked to and emails that have never been shared are more important than sources that CNN is standing behind. I suspect more to come from this…TuCa, next move is yours.
Loki considers himself to have established beyond any shadow of a doubt his own objectivity in all things political. Thus when he becomes righteously indignant over politically charged issues, it is the indignancy of objectivity - and he does not countenance the existence of any reasonable opposition to that. That is, of course, how all righteousness works. That's what that emotion does to the human mind.
I’ve provided very reasonable approaches to understanding the nature of TuCa’s allegations. Unfortunately TuCa only makes allegations with no evidence at all and even his employer won’t back him up. How I am on thin ice is really quite fascinating. TuCa and many here demand a response from the NSA, but quizzingly make no such demand of the employer.
I would submit demanding the NSA respond when his employer won’t more aptly fits righteousness.
Somehow this unknown whistleblower who no one has ever talked to and emails that have never been shared are more important than sources that CNN is standing behind. I suspect more to come from this…TuCa, next move is yours.
You can call me deluded if I think it's likely there is something interesting, and awkward for the NSA, to this story. That is in fact what I think. You think it's a bunch of hot air from a sensationalist talking head. Fine. That's a reasonable disagreement. But your schtick about how you're an island of sanity surrounded by nutcases untethered to reality is getting old. You're on that kick with a few different topics now. About the only difference I've noticed is how you've become a Full Stop moralist lately. Anybody not getting the vaccine is a social cancer Full Stop. Anybody not emoting about the existential next level destruction of the social fabric on January 6 is in full denial of reality Full Stop. Anybody who thinks Carson's story has some meat to it is a hypocritical tribalist Full Stop. Did I miss one? I think I may have.
Education is extremely important.
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Loki considers himself to have established beyond any shadow of a doubt his own objectivity in all things political. Thus when he becomes righteously indignant over politically charged issues, it is the indignancy of objectivity - and he does not countenance the existence of any reasonable opposition to that. That is, of course, how all righteousness works. That's what that emotion does to the human mind.
I’ve provided very reasonable approaches to understanding the nature of TuCa’s allegations. Unfortunately TuCa only makes allegations with no evidence at all and even his employer won’t back him up. How I am on thin ice is really quite fascinating. TuCa and many here demand a response from the NSA, but quizzingly make no such demand of the employer.
I would submit demanding the NSA respond when his employer won’t more aptly fits righteousness.
Somehow this unknown whistleblower who no one has ever talked to and emails that have never been shared are more important than sources that CNN is standing behind. I suspect more to come from this…TuCa, next move is yours.
You can call me deluded if I think it's likely there is something interesting, and awkward for the NSA, to this story. That is in fact what I think. You think it's a bunch of hot air from a sensationalist talking head. Fine. That's a reasonable disagreement. But your schtick about how you're an island of sanity surrounded by nutcases untethered to reality is getting old. You're on that kick with a few different topics now. About the only difference I've noticed is how you've become a Full Stop moralist lately. Anybody not getting the vaccine is a social cancer Full Stop. Anybody not emoting about the existential next level destruction of the social fabric on January 6 is in full denial of reality Full Stop. Anybody who thinks Carson's story has some meat to it is a hypocritical tribalist Full Stop. Did I miss one? I think I may have.
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The NSA was eager to respond when this story first broke, with their non-denial denial. "Mr Carlson has never been an intelligence target". Will they be as eager to respond to Mr Paul's four questions? If not, why not? I bet they will not answer those questions, at least not without an investigation.
Of course, recent history shows us, as Mr Paul notes, that it is far, far from an "implausible conspiracy theory" that the NSA might employ people with security clearance and political axes to grind, and without the requisite honor as human beings to not grind those axes.
When pop culture welcomes such tribal righteousness with open arms, who can blame them? They are only human, operating as humans always have, and always will. That's why they need to be held in check. I respect Mr Paul's attempt to do so.
So every fishing expedition must be responded to?
This thread is full of wordy words….and no evidence.
Let me repeat…NO evidence. He said he/she said. Seriously. Kafkaesque to demand so much with no evidence to be followed up on.
Mr. Carlson clearly has verbal and written evidence.
Repeating over and over that he doesn’t won’t change that.
If he has written evidence, why isn't he showing it to us?
I'm not saying he doesn't, but if he has it, why all the drama?
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Loki considers himself to have established beyond any shadow of a doubt his own objectivity in all things political. Thus when he becomes righteously indignant over politically charged issues, it is the indignancy of objectivity - and he does not countenance the existence of any reasonable opposition to that. That is, of course, how all righteousness works. That's what that emotion does to the human mind.
I’ve provided very reasonable approaches to understanding the nature of TuCa’s allegations. Unfortunately TuCa only makes allegations with no evidence at all and even his employer won’t back him up. How I am on thin ice is really quite fascinating. TuCa and many here demand a response from the NSA, but quizzingly make no such demand of the employer.
I would submit demanding the NSA respond when his employer won’t more aptly fits righteousness.
Somehow this unknown whistleblower who no one has ever talked to and emails that have never been shared are more important than sources that CNN is standing behind. I suspect more to come from this…TuCa, next move is yours.
You can call me deluded if I think it's likely there is something interesting, and awkward for the NSA, to this story. That is in fact what I think. You think it's a bunch of hot air from a sensationalist talking head. Fine. That's a reasonable disagreement. But your schtick about how you're an island of sanity surrounded by nutcases untethered to reality is getting old. You're on that kick with a few different topics now. About the only difference I've noticed is how you've become a Full Stop moralist lately. Anybody not getting the vaccine is a social cancer Full Stop. Anybody not emoting about the existential next level destruction of the social fabric on January 6 is in full denial of reality Full Stop. Anybody who thinks Carson's story has some meat to it is a hypocritical tribalist Full Stop. Did I miss one? I think I may have.
