Freedom is Scary
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wrote on 13 Jul 2021, 18:18 last edited by
I saw that. People were asked to abruptly caccoon and it looks like abruptly re-entering the world is quite frightening, at least to a subset of folks. Could be the introverts.
I don’t think the world has changed overnight and this is just an adaptation period. Kind of like people thinking that make lots of money while working from home. Maybe in the short run but that’ll change once companies realize there is no loyalty and they lost 30% productivity overnight.
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I saw that. People were asked to abruptly caccoon and it looks like abruptly re-entering the world is quite frightening, at least to a subset of folks. Could be the introverts.
I don’t think the world has changed overnight and this is just an adaptation period. Kind of like people thinking that make lots of money while working from home. Maybe in the short run but that’ll change once companies realize there is no loyalty and they lost 30% productivity overnight.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 01:10 last edited by@loki said in Freedom is Scary:
Kind of like people thinking that make lots of money while working from home. Maybe in the short run but that’ll change once companies realize there is no loyalty and they lost 30% productivity overnight.
I'm tired of this argument, quite frankly. With the kind of work that I do, about half of it in the world is done by people in-house (and in offices, prior to the pandemic), and the other half is done by freelancers living in South Carolina, New York City, Canada, the U.K., South America, Turkey, etc., etc. It makes absolutely no difference whether those people are in a damn office or not. None. And anyone who says otherwise talks out of their ass.
On the other end of things, quite obviously it's a bit hard to wait on tables, repair HVAC systems and build cars remotely.
Like the stupid "tattoo" debate, it completely depends on the industry. But we live in a society that's so fucking stupid, no one can tell the difference between the particulars of their jobs and those of others.
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@loki said in Freedom is Scary:
Kind of like people thinking that make lots of money while working from home. Maybe in the short run but that’ll change once companies realize there is no loyalty and they lost 30% productivity overnight.
I'm tired of this argument, quite frankly. With the kind of work that I do, about half of it in the world is done by people in-house (and in offices, prior to the pandemic), and the other half is done by freelancers living in South Carolina, New York City, Canada, the U.K., South America, Turkey, etc., etc. It makes absolutely no difference whether those people are in a damn office or not. None. And anyone who says otherwise talks out of their ass.
On the other end of things, quite obviously it's a bit hard to wait on tables, repair HVAC systems and build cars remotely.
Like the stupid "tattoo" debate, it completely depends on the industry. But we live in a society that's so fucking stupid, no one can tell the difference between the particulars of their jobs and those of others.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 01:30 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Freedom is Scary:
no one can tell the difference between the particulars of their jobs and those of others.
Equity
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wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 02:28 last edited by
Loyalty? There hasn’t been loyalty in the workplace since the 1980s
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Loyalty? There hasn’t been loyalty in the workplace since the 1980s
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 14:13 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Freedom is Scary:
Loyalty? There hasn’t been loyalty in the workplace since the 1980s
Yes, somewhere around there
I was loyal and it paid off in the long run
But after a number of years it didn't matter as much
Was that just normal aging or was that a trend?
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wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:19 last edited by
What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
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What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:25 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
Loyalty and talk about treating people like family is very oftentimes code for pathological office culture.
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@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
Loyalty and talk about treating people like family is very oftentimes code for pathological office culture.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:28 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Freedom is Scary:
@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
Loyalty and talk about treating people like family is very oftentimes code for pathological office culture.
I once brought a meeting with a customer to an unexpected halt when I said 'We're very much like family here. More specifically, the Mansons.'
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What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:29 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.Yes. I always thought loyalty meant that I'd undertake to do no overt harm to them as signs my paycheck. That is all an employer can realistically expect. But being as it isn't a love affair, that had better dang well work both ways.
As equitable as that sounds, however, it's the individual employee who most often gets the short end.
Such is life.
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@aqua-letifer said in Freedom is Scary:
@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
Loyalty and talk about treating people like family is very oftentimes code for pathological office culture.
I once brought a meeting with a customer to an unexpected halt when I said 'We're very much like family here. More specifically, the Mansons.'
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:31 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
@aqua-letifer said in Freedom is Scary:
@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
What does loyalty in the work-place even mean?
Employment is a transactional relationship, not a love affair.
Loyalty and talk about treating people like family is very oftentimes code for pathological office culture.
I once brought a meeting with a customer to an unexpected halt when I said 'We're very much like family here. More specifically, the Mansons.'
My last employers ran their operation very much like Scientology. David Miscavige was basically our department head.
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wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:33 last edited by
When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
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When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:34 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
What did the customer do? Did they stay a customer?
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When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 15:41 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
LOL. I bet you and your Russian friend were a real laff riot in that place.
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@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
What did the customer do? Did they stay a customer?
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 16:48 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Freedom is Scary:
@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
What did the customer do? Did they stay a customer?
They laughed their asses off, thankfully. It's a bunch of engineers, so you're usually pretty safe with that kind of thing.
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@aqua-letifer said in Freedom is Scary:
@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
What did the customer do? Did they stay a customer?
They laughed their asses off, thankfully. It's a bunch of engineers, so you're usually pretty safe with that kind of thing.
wrote on 14 Jul 2021, 17:15 last edited by Renauda@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
@aqua-letifer said in Freedom is Scary:
@doctor-phibes said in Freedom is Scary:
When I made the joke, my boss laughed a little bit longer and harder than I felt was appropriate.
What did the customer do? Did they stay a customer?
They laughed their asses off, thankfully. It's a bunch of engineers, so you're usually pretty safe with that kind of thing.
That was my experience with engineers as well, they had a solid sense of off-the-wall humour when the occasion arose. Can't say the same about MBA's and accountants on any occasions;* although for some reason the engineers found them weirdly funny.
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