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    Copper
    wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 17:57 last edited by
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732377/Doctor-forced-sell-family-car-son-seven-ran-1-300-Apple-bill.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR24kzpQx5gHsY2iRHMMkO1e5Abubk-MxpPg9H0Mb57xo9fFrprzNozwzNo

    Doctor is forced to sell the family car after his son, seven, ran up a £1,300 Apple bill playing DreamWorks Dragons game for an hour on iPhone

    Muhammad Mutaza, 41, from North Wales, handed £1,289.70 Apple iTunes bill

    Son Ashaz bought series of in-app purchases while playing mobile phone game

    The father has now had to sell his Toyota Aygo car in order to cover the cost

    A father was forced to sell his family car after his seven-year-old son unwittingly ran up a bill of nearly £1,300 while playing a game on his iPhone.

    Muhammad Mutaza, 41, from Colwyn Bay, North Wales, was handed the £1,289.70 Apple iTunes bill after his son Ashaz made a series of in-app purchases while playing a free version of the DreamWorks mythical monster game Dragons: Rise of Berk.

    The consultant endocrinologist, who initially believed he had been 'scammed', has now had to sell his Toyota Aygo car in order to cover the cost of the purchases.

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      Loki
      wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 18:10 last edited by
      #2

      Not possible on my Apple account. I just don’t want anything to be billable.

      So many areas are automatic and auto renew, one needs to do as much preventive work as possible.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 19:47 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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        @copper said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

        The consultant endocrinologist

        A consultant endocrinologist doesn't have 1300 quid?

        Something's out of whack there, even with NHS wages.

        Also, you'd think the asshole software company would let him off - it's not like it's actually costing them anything to give the kid all that shit.

        I was only joking

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          Loki
          wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 20:29 last edited by
          #4

          Why did he stop at the phone, why not a gun and the car too?

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          • L Loki
            30 Jun 2021, 20:29

            Why did he stop at the phone, why not a gun and the car too?

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 30 Jun 2021, 20:44 last edited by
            #5

            @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

            Why did he stop at the phone, why not a gun and the car too?

            He's in Wales. They don't let doctors have guns over there. Letting them near scalpels is dangerous enough already.

            I was only joking

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 09:38 last edited by
              #6

              He added: 'It literally had almost maxed out my credit card, and these days you live on your credit card.

              MDs??? Seems only true if they choose to do it.

              You were warned.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 09:49 last edited by
                #7

                There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                I was only joking

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                • D Doctor Phibes
                  1 Jul 2021, 09:49

                  There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                  My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

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                  Loki
                  wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 13:15 last edited by
                  #8

                  @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                  There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                  My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                  How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                  There is Apple ID for kids for example.

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                  • L Loki
                    1 Jul 2021, 13:15

                    @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                    There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                    My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                    How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                    There is Apple ID for kids for example.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 13:30 last edited by
                    #9

                    @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                    @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                    There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                    My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                    How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                    There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                    They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                    No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                    I was only joking

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                    • D Doctor Phibes
                      1 Jul 2021, 13:30

                      @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                      There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                      My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                      How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                      There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                      They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                      No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

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                      Loki
                      wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 13:34 last edited by
                      #10

                      @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                      @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                      There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                      My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                      How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                      There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                      They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                      No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                      Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.

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                      • L Loki
                        1 Jul 2021, 13:34

                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                        @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                        There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                        My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                        How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                        There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                        They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                        No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                        Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 13:45 last edited by
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                        @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                        @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                        There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                        My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                        How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                        There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                        They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                        No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                        Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.

                        It's not their game. Apple specifically encourages parents to limit their children's screen time, and provides tools within the OS to track that. There are also parental controls regarding content. Apple is among the most socially conscious companies, and while I agree they should refund this doctor's money, they are powerless to correct his poor parenting.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • L Loki
                          1 Jul 2021, 13:34

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                          @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                          There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                          My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                          How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                          There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                          They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                          No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                          Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 13:46 last edited by
                          #12

                          @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                          @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                          There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                          My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                          How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                          There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                          They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                          No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                          Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.

                          Well, it's a 3rd party app - but either Ludia or Apple ought to do something. They're both making money off of this. In fact, I think maybe Horace needs to step in.

                          I was only joking

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                          • D Doctor Phibes
                            1 Jul 2021, 13:46

                            @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                            My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                            How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                            There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                            They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                            No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                            Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.

                            Well, it's a 3rd party app - but either Ludia or Apple ought to do something. They're both making money off of this. In fact, I think maybe Horace needs to step in.

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 14:06 last edited by
                            #13

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                            There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?

                            My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.

                            How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.

                            There is Apple ID for kids for example.

                            They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?

                            No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.

                            Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.

                            Well, it's a 3rd party app - but either Ludia or Apple ought to do something. They're both making money off of this. In fact, I think maybe Horace needs to step in.

                            Has anyone looked at the details? Does the app adequately warn you that you are about to spend a bunch of money?

                            If I hand my phone to a 7 year old should vendors be responsible for what happens?

                            Gut says screw that vendor but the father has a ton to learn.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 14:11 last edited by
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                              Free gaming apps for kids with in-app purchases is the dominant model for game apps.

                              They tell you the cost before you click ok. The way normal parents deal is to make sure the kid understands he can’t do it without permission. If he’s not old enough to follow that rule, he shouldn’t use your phone.

                              You were warned.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 14:15 last edited by
                                #15

                                Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.

                                Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.

                                I was only joking

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 15:14 last edited by
                                  #16

                                  The parent should understand that he is giving the boy access to his credit.

                                  Is this common that a relatively competent adult doesn't get this?

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 15:29 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Jan 2021, 15:29
                                    #17

                                    I don't think it stretches the bounds of credibility that somebody would be unaware that a game rated for 4-year olds to play would ask for 100 pound purchases during the game.

                                    This is a stupid kids game, not video editing software. It's highway robbery.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      1 Jul 2021, 14:15

                                      Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.

                                      Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.

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                                      Loki
                                      wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 17:41 last edited by
                                      #18

                                      @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                                      Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.

                                      Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.

                                      That’s a great point. Apple should make a statement and drop any vendor in their marketplace that abuses the privilege.

                                      Apple has earned a ton of trust, but that has been through active acts.

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                                      • L Loki
                                        1 Jul 2021, 17:41

                                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                                        Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.

                                        Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.

                                        That’s a great point. Apple should make a statement and drop any vendor in their marketplace that abuses the privilege.

                                        Apple has earned a ton of trust, but that has been through active acts.

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 18:50 last edited by
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                                        @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                                        Apple has earned a ton of trust

                                        From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers

                                        Of which, I was one for 13 years up until a few weeks ago.

                                        Of course I hated them, but I left because I shut down my business.

                                        Apple has just doubled the amount it pays developers (who gross under $1 million per year in sales). A clear indication of their, hopefully reformed, selfish behavior.

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                                        • C Copper
                                          1 Jul 2021, 18:50

                                          @loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                                          Apple has earned a ton of trust

                                          From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers

                                          Of which, I was one for 13 years up until a few weeks ago.

                                          Of course I hated them, but I left because I shut down my business.

                                          Apple has just doubled the amount it pays developers (who gross under $1 million per year in sales). A clear indication of their, hopefully reformed, selfish behavior.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 1 Jul 2021, 19:28 last edited by
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                                          @copper said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:

                                          From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers

                                          While they sell their products in a market mostly created by Apple. Sad.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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