Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone
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@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.
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@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.
It's not their game. Apple specifically encourages parents to limit their children's screen time, and provides tools within the OS to track that. There are also parental controls regarding content. Apple is among the most socially conscious companies, and while I agree they should refund this doctor's money, they are powerless to correct his poor parenting.
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@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.
Well, it's a 3rd party app - but either Ludia or Apple ought to do something. They're both making money off of this. In fact, I think maybe Horace needs to step in.
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@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.
Well, it's a 3rd party app - but either Ludia or Apple ought to do something. They're both making money off of this. In fact, I think maybe Horace needs to step in.
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
There's something funny about this story. A consultant doctor with a 1300 pound credit limit that's maxed out?
My guess is the reason he's publicising this is to try and shame Apple into letting him off, just as they should.
How is it Apple’s fault? I’m not saying it isn’t but curious as to the rationale.
There is Apple ID for kids for example.
They create or publish a 'free' game aimed at kids that can run up over 1000GBP in charges in the space of an hour, and this is OK?
No, obviously, it's completely fucked up. They didn't provide anybody with 1000 pounds worth of product. They shouldn't keep the money.
Cool. Is it their game or a third party app? Sorry I am being lazy.
Well, it's a 3rd party app - but either Ludia or Apple ought to do something. They're both making money off of this. In fact, I think maybe Horace needs to step in.
Has anyone looked at the details? Does the app adequately warn you that you are about to spend a bunch of money?
If I hand my phone to a 7 year old should vendors be responsible for what happens?
Gut says screw that vendor but the father has a ton to learn.
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Free gaming apps for kids with in-app purchases is the dominant model for game apps.
They tell you the cost before you click ok. The way normal parents deal is to make sure the kid understands he can’t do it without permission. If he’s not old enough to follow that rule, he shouldn’t use your phone.
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Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.
Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.
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I don't think it stretches the bounds of credibility that somebody would be unaware that a game rated for 4-year olds to play would ask for 100 pound purchases during the game.
This is a stupid kids game, not video editing software. It's highway robbery.
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Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.
Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.
@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.
Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.
That’s a great point. Apple should make a statement and drop any vendor in their marketplace that abuses the privilege.
Apple has earned a ton of trust, but that has been through active acts.
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@doctor-phibes said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
Obviously, what the father did wasn't good, and he certainly isn't blameless, but my point is that the company didn't provide 1000 pounds of value, in fact not even 50 GBP of value, so they ought to do something.
Apart from anything else, it's terrible PR.
That’s a great point. Apple should make a statement and drop any vendor in their marketplace that abuses the privilege.
Apple has earned a ton of trust, but that has been through active acts.
@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
Apple has earned a ton of trust
From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers
Of which, I was one for 13 years up until a few weeks ago.
Of course I hated them, but I left because I shut down my business.
Apple has just doubled the amount it pays developers (who gross under $1 million per year in sales). A clear indication of their, hopefully reformed, selfish behavior.
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@loki said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
Apple has earned a ton of trust
From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers
Of which, I was one for 13 years up until a few weeks ago.
Of course I hated them, but I left because I shut down my business.
Apple has just doubled the amount it pays developers (who gross under $1 million per year in sales). A clear indication of their, hopefully reformed, selfish behavior.
@copper said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers
While they sell their products in a market mostly created by Apple. Sad.
Education is extremely important.
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@copper said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers
While they sell their products in a market mostly created by Apple. Sad.
@horace said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@copper said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers
While they sell their products in a market mostly created by Apple. Sad.
The developers would love a different market, it’s not allowed
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@copper said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers
While they sell their products in a market mostly created by Apple. Sad.
@horace said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
@copper said in Don't give your 7-year-old an iPhone:
From what I can tell Apple is hated by it's App developers
While they sell their products in a market mostly created by Apple. Sad.
Exactly.
