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    George K
    wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 00:49 last edited by
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    J.D. Vance announces he's running for senator from Ohio.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      George K
      wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 01:08 last edited by
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      I enjoyed (well, perhaps "enjoyed" is the wrong word) "Hillbilly Elegy. I found it a really interesting insight into rural America.

      The movie, well, it was OK, but not great. It'll be two hours I'll never get back, but I don't feel cheated because of it.

      I wonder if his constituency will extend to the non-rural, non-southern parts of Ohio.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George K
        wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 01:10 last edited by
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        Link to video

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Mik
          wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 01:41 last edited by Mik 7 Feb 2021, 01:41
          #4

          Vance has mad hooks in Ohio. I would say he has an even chance next to the former GOP head who has little recognition outside party circles. Wish Portman was staying on.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • M Mik
            2 Jul 2021, 01:41

            Vance has mad hooks in Ohio. I would say he has an even chance next to the former GOP head who has little recognition outside party circles. Wish Portman was staying on.

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            George K
            wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 01:43 last edited by
            #5

            @mik do you think his message resonates with northern Ohio?

            No doubt, he'll get many votes because he's probably Portman's successor, but does he have the traction to defeat a Democrat candidate?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Mik
              wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 01:48 last edited by Mik 7 Feb 2021, 01:48
              #6

              Yeah. Tim Ryan will be the Dem candidate. I suspect Vance can go toe to toe with him and Ohio is at heart a red state. GOP turnout will be big.

              I just hope they don’t run that idiot Josh Mandel again. I voted for Sherrie Brown twice against him. Vance’s credentials with both the Trump camp and more moderate Republicans should serve him well.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 02:36 last edited by
                #7

                I thought this was old news. Maybe I was just reading people predicting it.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • J jon-nyc
                  2 Jul 2021, 02:36

                  I thought this was old news. Maybe I was just reading people predicting it.

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                  Loki
                  wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 02:38 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                  I thought this was old news. Maybe I was just reading people predicting it.

                  Me too.

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    2 Jul 2021, 02:36

                    I thought this was old news. Maybe I was just reading people predicting it.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 2 Jul 2021, 11:21 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                    I thought this was old news. Maybe I was just reading people predicting it.

                    Rumors have been going around for a while. Yesterday, he announced.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 10 Jul 2021, 10:57 last edited by
                      #10

                      Reason magazine’s Robby Soave on Vance’s volte face over Trump, now that he’s running for the Senate seat:

                      “It was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Donald Trump”.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        George K
                        wrote on 11 Jul 2021, 00:38 last edited by
                        #11

                        Good question. In a crowded primary, why is Joe devoting time to this.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • J jon-nyc
                          10 Jul 2021, 10:57

                          Reason magazine’s Robby Soave on Vance’s volte face over Trump, now that he’s running for the Senate seat:

                          “It was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Donald Trump”.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 11 Jul 2021, 12:01 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                          Reason magazine’s Robby Soave on Vance’s volte face over Trump, now that he’s running for the Senate seat:

                          “It was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Donald Trump”.

                          If anyone missed the reference those are the closing lines of 1984.

                          “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                          HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply 11 Jul 2021, 14:25
                          • J jon-nyc
                            11 Jul 2021, 12:01

                            @jon-nyc said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                            Reason magazine’s Robby Soave on Vance’s volte face over Trump, now that he’s running for the Senate seat:

                            “It was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Donald Trump”.

                            If anyone missed the reference those are the closing lines of 1984.

                            “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 11 Jul 2021, 14:25 last edited by
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                            @jon-nyc said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                            @jon-nyc said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                            Reason magazine’s Robby Soave on Vance’s volte face over Trump, now that he’s running for the Senate seat:

                            “It was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Donald Trump”.

                            If anyone missed the reference those are the closing lines of 1984.

                            “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

                            Because TDS is the sane, objective view which is totally not socially coerced. While an understanding or support of Trump's policies and overall direction, as compared to those of the left, is insane Trumpism for which people sell their souls. Of course.

                            Maybe Loki will let us know how Vance now supports Capitol invasions and other armed coup attempts against our very democracy.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Larry
                              wrote on 11 Jul 2021, 16:09 last edited by
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                              At this point in time, if you are still bashing Trump and justifying Biden and the democrat party, you are simply a fool.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 15 Jul 2021, 11:50 last edited by
                                #15

                                The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance

                                Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.

                                What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe? For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use “sellout” or “backstabber.” (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat, a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties—country and faith—we invoke the more solemn terms of “traitor” or “apostate.”

                                But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio is too big to allow him to escape with the label of “opportunist,” and yet the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand him a defector or a heretic.

                                My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with “pathetic loser poser fake jerk,” but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical reference beginning with the letter a.

                                I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my students to use the term.

                                But the word is apt when I consider Vance’s silly and yet detestable moral collapse. Some people back in Vance’s home region of Appalachia thought his memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other people—including me—were intrigued by his writing and public speaking. Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of minority communities.

                                And then, he actually goes there:

                                His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his multimillion-dollar support from “ordinary folks” like Thiel—these all show that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.

                                This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his admiration for both.)

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  15 Jul 2021, 11:50

                                  The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance

                                  Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.

                                  What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe? For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use “sellout” or “backstabber.” (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat, a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties—country and faith—we invoke the more solemn terms of “traitor” or “apostate.”

                                  But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio is too big to allow him to escape with the label of “opportunist,” and yet the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand him a defector or a heretic.

                                  My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with “pathetic loser poser fake jerk,” but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical reference beginning with the letter a.

                                  I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my students to use the term.

                                  But the word is apt when I consider Vance’s silly and yet detestable moral collapse. Some people back in Vance’s home region of Appalachia thought his memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other people—including me—were intrigued by his writing and public speaking. Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of minority communities.

                                  And then, he actually goes there:

                                  His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his multimillion-dollar support from “ordinary folks” like Thiel—these all show that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.

                                  This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his admiration for both.)

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 15 Jul 2021, 22:25 last edited by
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                                  @george-k said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                                  The Moral Collapse of J. D. Vance

                                  Instead of a truth-teller in his own community, Vance as a candidate has become a contemptible and cringe-inducing clown.

                                  What do we call a man who turns on everything he once claimed to believe? For a practitioner of petty and self-serving duplicity, we use “sellout” or “backstabber.” (Sometimes we impugn the animal kingdom and call him a rat, a skunk, or a weasel.) For grand betrayals of weightier loyalties—country and faith—we invoke the more solemn terms of “traitor” or “apostate.”

                                  But what should we call J. D. Vance, the self-described hillbilly turned Marine turned Ivy League law-school graduate turned venture capitalist turned Senate candidate? Words fail. His perfidy to his own people in Ohio is too big to allow him to escape with the label of “opportunist,” and yet the shabbiness and absurdity of his Senate campaign is too small to brand him a defector or a heretic.

                                  My friend Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, tried to describe Vance recently and came up with “pathetic loser poser fake jerk,” but that is a lot of words. To distill the essence of Vance as a public figure, the word that enters my mind is an anatomical reference beginning with the letter a.

                                  I do not use that word lightly or comfortably. I am, in the formal sense, a man of letters. I have been an officer of instruction at several institutions of higher education (and I remind you here that I do not represent any of them and speak only for myself). I would not advise my students to use the term.

                                  But the word is apt when I consider Vance’s silly and yet detestable moral collapse. Some people back in Vance’s home region of Appalachia thought his memoir, Hillbilly Elegy, was hollow and inaccurate, but for a time, other people—including me—were intrigued by his writing and public speaking. Vance lived as a child in a steel town in Ohio and spent his summers in the hills of eastern Kentucky, while I grew up amid the rotting factories of New England, solidly in the working class but not poor. I welcomed his willingness to cast a critical eye on his (and my) people, especially after years of conservative hand-wringing focused solely on the dysfunction of minority communities.

                                  And then, he actually goes there:

                                  His gooberish tweets, his recent declaration that the most important issue for Ohio is securing the southern border, his multimillion-dollar support from “ordinary folks” like Thiel—these all show that Vance is as mossy a creature as the swamp ever produced.

                                  This hypocrisy makes him indistinguishable from other figures in American politics, such as Senators Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley, who are products of privilege and elite education and who now pretend to be tribunes of the Forgotten People. (Vance, predictably enough, has recently expressed his admiration for both.)

                                  This sort of prancing sanctimony reminds me of David Brooks' writing when he was in full TDS mode.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 06:10 last edited by
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                                    https://myfox28columbus.com/news/election/jd-vance-thrilled-to-rally-with-former-president-donald-trump-this-saturday-gop-republican-ohio-senate-race-primary-election-4-18-2022

                                    J.D. Vance has secured Trump’s endorsement and will appear on stage with Trump at a rally in Delaware County.

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:08 last edited by
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                                      Indeed. How is this different from Biden's 'evolution' of his views over time? Obama's 'evolving' views on gay marriage? Political reality will always set in. If you don't get elected, you can't do any good.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • M Mik
                                        23 Apr 2022, 13:08

                                        Indeed. How is this different from Biden's 'evolution' of his views over time? Obama's 'evolving' views on gay marriage? Political reality will always set in. If you don't get elected, you can't do any good.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:45 last edited by
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                                        @Mik said in Hillbilly Senator?:

                                        Political reality will always set in. If you don't get elected, you can't do any good.

                                        Hopefully, if you don't get elected, you can't do any evil either.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:51 last edited by
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                                          Lots of people do good without getting elected.

                                          I would question the idea that the primary reason many have for getting elected is to do good. It’s a nice idea, but seriously…..

                                          I was only joking

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