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The Russians favored whom?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    I don't know if this bone has any meat on it...

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/cia-watchdog-sitting-on-secret-house-report-allegedly-critical-of-brennans-role-in-russian-meddling-assessment_3337863.html

    The CIA Inspector General has taken more than a year to clear the release of a House Intelligence Committee report which contradicts the key conclusion of the intelligence community assessment on Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to the former chief of staff of the National Security Council.

    The January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA), prepared at the behest of President Barack Obama, claimed that Russia interfered in the presidential election in order to help candidate Donald Trump. The House Intelligence Committee’s public report (pdf) on Russia had already challenged the analytic tradecraft behind this central claim and suggested that the process of arriving at the assessment was not free of political interference.

    A separate, classified report holed up at the office of the CIA Inspector General (IG) sheds damning light on the role then-CIA Director John Brennan played in the preparation of the report, former National Security Council Chief of Staff Fred Fleitz learned from House Intelligence Committee staff. A source familiar with the report’s fate would not deny that the report went to the office of the CIA IG.

    The report states that Brennan overruled agency analysts who wanted to include strong intelligence in the assessment to show that Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted Hillary Clinton to win the election, Fleitz says, citing conversations with House Intelligence Committee staffers. Brennan had also rejected analysts who wanted to strike weak intelligence from the report which suggested that Russia favored Trump, Fleitz said.

    “So Brennan actually slanted this analysis, choosing anti-Trump intelligence and excluding anti-Clinton intelligence,” Fleitz told The Epoch Times.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      I don't know if this bone has any meat on it...

      https://www.theepochtimes.com/cia-watchdog-sitting-on-secret-house-report-allegedly-critical-of-brennans-role-in-russian-meddling-assessment_3337863.html

      The CIA Inspector General has taken more than a year to clear the release of a House Intelligence Committee report which contradicts the key conclusion of the intelligence community assessment on Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to the former chief of staff of the National Security Council.

      The January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA), prepared at the behest of President Barack Obama, claimed that Russia interfered in the presidential election in order to help candidate Donald Trump. The House Intelligence Committee’s public report (pdf) on Russia had already challenged the analytic tradecraft behind this central claim and suggested that the process of arriving at the assessment was not free of political interference.

      A separate, classified report holed up at the office of the CIA Inspector General (IG) sheds damning light on the role then-CIA Director John Brennan played in the preparation of the report, former National Security Council Chief of Staff Fred Fleitz learned from House Intelligence Committee staff. A source familiar with the report’s fate would not deny that the report went to the office of the CIA IG.

      The report states that Brennan overruled agency analysts who wanted to include strong intelligence in the assessment to show that Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted Hillary Clinton to win the election, Fleitz says, citing conversations with House Intelligence Committee staffers. Brennan had also rejected analysts who wanted to strike weak intelligence from the report which suggested that Russia favored Trump, Fleitz said.

      “So Brennan actually slanted this analysis, choosing anti-Trump intelligence and excluding anti-Clinton intelligence,” Fleitz told The Epoch Times.

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      kluurs
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      @George-K I'd have thought that having Putin's private secretary in our pocket, we would pretty much know for sure what the hell was going on - at least someone does.

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        @George-K I'd have thought that having Putin's private secretary in our pocket, we would pretty much know for sure what the hell was going on - at least someone does.

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        @kluurs said in The Russians favored whom?:

        @George-K I'd have thought that having Putin's private secretary in our pocket,

        Can you explain that?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          I've never believed that Putin cared all that much who won in 2016. I suspect Putin's favorite part of the outcome is the continued outrage that he interfered.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

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              @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

              Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

              IOW, the report at the CIA IG was wrong, is that your point?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                The only thing with these type of reports is for it to be true, it seems like 99% of the people in the US government are in on some conspiracy against President Trump, and of the 99%, not one of them is ethical enough to say something.

                I realize that I am talking about government people, but I am an optimist and think that there are still good people there.

                (PS I am not a big conspiracy believer of almost any kind.. In todays world, where anybody is willing to go on any TV show to talk about anything for a few dollars, it is amazing that all these secrets could be kept secret. LOL)

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                • George KG George K

                  @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

                  Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

                  IOW, the report at the CIA IG was wrong, is that your point?

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                  @George-K said in The Russians favored whom?:

                  @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

                  Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

                  IOW, the report at the CIA IG was wrong, is that your point?

                  Using the notion of consider the source I would want to hear from someone other than Fred.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_H._Fleitz

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

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                    @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

                    Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

                    Or Putin was putting the useful idiots of the left to work, anticipating their petulant, culturally destructive social tantrum in response to a President Trump.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

                      Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

                      IOW, the report at the CIA IG was wrong, is that your point?

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                      jon-nyc
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                      @George-K said in The Russians favored whom?:

                      @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

                      Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

                      IOW, the report at the CIA IG was wrong, is that your point?

                      Have we seen it yet?

                      Did you read the Meuller report? It was extraordinarily detailed.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

                        Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

                        Or Putin was putting the useful idiots of the left to work, anticipating their petulant, culturally destructive social tantrum in response to a President Trump.

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                        @Horace said in The Russians favored whom?:

                        @jon-nyc said in The Russians favored whom?:

                        Trump fans don’t want to think to hard about why Putin favored Trump, as they aren’t deluded enough to think that Putin wants America to be great again.

                        Or Putin was putting the useful idiots of the left to work, anticipating their petulant, culturally destructive social tantrum in response to a President Trump.

                        My personal favorite was”Russian Agent”.

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                        • MikM Away
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                          I suspect he preferred Trump to Clinton because he thought Clinton would be tougher on Russia. If so I think he was right. Trump is hardly a warmonger. War is expensive.

                          I suspect he also enjoys seeing Americans at each others' throats over relatively minor issues. We continue to indulge him.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Clinton was known to be on the hawkish side of Syria intervention and privately critical of Obama on the subject. Zero chance Putin didn’t know that, zero chance it wasn’t a factor.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • MikM Away
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                              That was a known issue, yes.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • George KG George K

                                @kluurs said in The Russians favored whom?:

                                @George-K I'd have thought that having Putin's private secretary in our pocket,

                                Can you explain that?

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                                @George-K Spy in Putin's office Given his proximity to Putin, I've thought we should have a good way to know Putin's intentions regarding the election. I assumed this was part of the reason for the Senate's confidence in their finding that Russia had worked to support Trump's Presidency. Some of the talk for the reason he was extricated from Russia was that they were concerned that someone would blurt out information which would draw attention to his activities.

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