The Jan 6 “nothing burger”
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@kluurs said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
For me, it is a very sad affair. This was a mob action. This mob was heterogenous, some peaceful, some insurrectionist, some disturbed - still most of them felt they were doing some patriotic. If the election were "stolen," then would seem reasonable for patriots to rise up and restore the appropriate leadership.
What would have happened if they had gotten to Pence, Pelosi or Osorio might be frightening. Mobs, regardless of political persuasion, are not the best source of reasoned action.
Police understand that a bit better than pacifists, politicians, or most internet commentators.
My sense is that the police and some in the leadership responsible for security were concerned that an overly aggressive security presence would draw criticism. They had been criticized as being overly zealous in removing the crowd in front of the church. Some of these people may have been sensitive to that - or even more so if appointed by the President.
As for an investigation, if we could spend years and tens of millions of dollars investigating the Clintons for things such as Christmas card mailings, Whitewater, lies in a civil court matter, Benghazi, etc., the suggestion that this be considered does not seem out of bounds with past experience. If this had happened on Obama's watch, it is not inconceivable that the GOP House and Senate might have considered doing so.
What is incredibly sad, is that these patriots (even if misguided, misinformed or misled) will be irrevocably harmed for their actions. This political game that is being played is getting ugly.
It's going to get much uglier...
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Yeah, mobs suck. I wish we could all agree with that, but the fact is, the left relies on mobs to express their political outrage.
The mob actions taken last summer harmed innocents - i.e. business owners and their employees. I can sympathize with frustration that perceived justice has at times not been achieved but not not with harming others. I always recall Victor Frankl talking about walking with a fellow former prisoner from Auschwitz, coming to a field where his compatriot walked over young seedlings. Frankl suggested a different path, but the other prisoner felt that after what they had enduring they were owed the right to ignore courtesy toward the work of others. Not true.
I keep thinking that police work has never been more difficult nor constrained than it is today. Expectations of appropriate behavior have never been higher - and respect, likely never lower. How do we attract the best to this profession under those circumstances?
And our expectations of how to deal with the chaos of a mob destroying the lives and property of others or of the state? Watching some of the rioting last summer, more than once I saw the police capture the person most easily secured (e.g. 15 year old 80 lb suburban girl) rather than go after the linebacker sized vandal. Easier arrest - proof that something is "being done" - but we need better strategies in addressing the madness of mobs. Mobs are learning that they can control the situation - and consequences are unlikely. That is an unhealthy situation for us - again regardless of the ideology or motive of the mob action.
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@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Could we be doing more to make an example of the Jan 6 riots?
Definitely. An independent commission authorized by Congress to investigate the Jan. 6 riot, for example, is one of the things that we can and should do to make an example of the Jan. 6 riot.
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@axtremus said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
@horace said in The Jan 6 “nothing burger”:
Could we be doing more to make an example of the Jan 6 riots?
Definitely. An independent commission authorized by Congress to investigate the Jan. 6 riot, for example, is one of the things that we can and should do to make an example of the Jan. 6 riot.
By all means, let the left slake its tribal blood lust. It will only be all the more laughable to watch the contrast in reaction to the next oppression olympics riots.
