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A Woke Thought Experiment

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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
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    #25

    What percent of people killed by police were criminals?

    What percent of criminals killed by police were of color?

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #26

      Best thread in quite a while. Bravo, Aqua.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG George K

        @jon-nyc said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

        @axtremus said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

        No, the BLM movement stems from disproportionately more black people getting killed by law enforcement.

        Proportionate to what?

        I think this is what Ax is referring to.

        https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/1417426/unarmed-black-people-killed-police-blm/

        Of the 765 people killed by police in 2020, 28 percent of them have been black people - despite comprising only 13 percent of the US population.

        Which conveniently ignores this

        Writing for The Wall Street Journal last year, she asserted that the rate of black suspects shot fatally by the police is “a function of” how often they commit crime. Because they commit the majority of crime, they therefore have the most dealings with the police.

        “In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit[ed] about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population,” she wrote.

        Yet of the 996 fatal police shootings in 2018, only 209, or 21 percent, involved black suspects, meaning, according to Mac Donald, that the share of black suspects shot by the police was in fact “less than what the black crime rate would predict.”

        jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #27

        @george-k

        That was my point.

        Sovereign is he who sets the null hypothesis.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          @george-k

          That was my point.

          Sovereign is he who sets the null hypothesis.

          HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #28

          @jon-nyc said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

          @george-k

          That was my point.

          Sovereign is he who sets the null hypothesis.

          Hypothesis is a funny word for an ever-changing position that is exactly as quantifiable as it needs to be at any moment, to support pop cultural messaging around a pre-ordained conclusion that "everybody who doesn't vote left is racist".

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #29

            In this case the null hypothesis I'm referring to has been pretty stable - that police interactions should be expected to be proportional to population percentages not weighted by levels of criminality. Same hypothesis is getting traction with school discipline too.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              In this case the null hypothesis I'm referring to has been pretty stable - that police interactions should be expected to be proportional to population percentages not weighted by levels of criminality. Same hypothesis is getting traction with school discipline too.

              HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #30

              @jon-nyc said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

              In this case the null hypothesis I'm referring to has been pretty stable - that police interactions should be expected to be proportional to population percentages not weighted by levels of criminality. Same hypothesis is getting traction with school discipline too.

              Sure, equal outcomes for all groups will be a safely stable goal, which will indicate the necessity for progressive politics for the lifetimes of everybody alive today, and long thereafter.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by
                #31

                "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL HALF LIVES MATTER."

                Radioactive, baby!

                "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL FLETCH LIVES MATTERS."

                I saw that thing sitting in Blockbuster so many times, and I never, ever borrowed it.

                Go ahead, cancel my subscription.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL HALF LIVES MATTER."

                  Radioactive, baby!

                  "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL FLETCH LIVES MATTERS."

                  I saw that thing sitting in Blockbuster so many times, and I never, ever borrowed it.

                  Go ahead, cancel my subscription.

                  jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #32

                  @doctor-phibes said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                  "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL HALF LIVES MATTER."

                  Make it black half-lives.

                  Then we can apply Zeno's paradox and declare progress impossible.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @doctor-phibes said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                    "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL HALF LIVES MATTER."

                    Make it black half-lives.

                    Then we can apply Zeno's paradox and declare progress impossible.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                    #33

                    @jon-nyc said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                    @doctor-phibes said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                    "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL HALF LIVES MATTER."

                    Make it black half-lives.

                    Black body radiation?

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @jon-nyc said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                      @doctor-phibes said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                      "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL HALF LIVES MATTER."

                      Make it black half-lives.

                      Black body radiation?

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                      #34

                      @doctor-phibes said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                      @jon-nyc said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                      @doctor-phibes said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                      "BLACK LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL HALF LIVES MATTER."

                      Make it black half-lives.

                      Black body radiation?

                      lolwut.png

                      It's interesting to me that we live in an era in which this could be considered so racist that it could put someone on some sort of list.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #35

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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #36

                          More truth in that meme than I care to think about.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            More truth in that meme than I care to think about.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #37

                            @mik said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                            More truth in that meme than I care to think about.

                            Yup. I posted it not to be funny, but to add some perspective.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #38

                              When I hear someone say, "there's nothing I hate more than sexism and injustice," I know there's a very high chance that person has a dearth of real problems, including dealing with sexism and injustice.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                In this case the null hypothesis I'm referring to has been pretty stable - that police interactions should be expected to be proportional to population percentages not weighted by levels of criminality. Same hypothesis is getting traction with school discipline too.

                                AxtremusA Away
                                AxtremusA Away
                                Axtremus
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #39

                                @jon-nyc said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                                In this case the null hypothesis I'm referring to has been pretty stable - that police interactions should be expected to be proportional to population percentages not weighted by levels of criminality. Same hypothesis is getting traction with school discipline too.

                                There is probably an equivalent somewhere in the eviction narrative. I’ve read an article somewhere about “black and brown people” getting evicted at a higher rate, but that article says nothing about whether there is any correlation to falling behind on rent or mortgage payments.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  When I hear someone say, "there's nothing I hate more than sexism and injustice," I know there's a very high chance that person has a dearth of real problems, including dealing with sexism and injustice.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #40

                                  @aqua-letifer said in A Woke Thought Experiment:

                                  When I hear someone say, "there's nothing I hate more than sexism and injustice," I know there's a very high chance that person has a dearth of real problems, including dealing with sexism and injustice.

                                  Once heard a girl say “I hate southerners. They are so prejudiced!”

                                  The Brad

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