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The building collapse in Miami

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  • L Offline
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    Loki
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    A friend had looked to buy there but it was more expense than he was looking for. It was not low rent… the sister in law of the President of Paraguay for example is unaccounted for at this time.

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

      Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

      The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

      Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

      "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

        Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

        The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

        Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

        "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

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        George K
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        @mik said in The building collapse in Miami:

        "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

        That’s gonna leave a mark!

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          2018 report and they were 'just getting ready to start' on the repairs.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

            Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

            The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

            Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

            "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

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            Loki
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            @mik said in The building collapse in Miami:

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/consultant-warned-of-major-structural-damage-before-florida-building-collapse/ar-AALtoNA?ocid=msedgntp

            Frank Morabito, the engineering consultant who conducted the report, found "abundant cracking and spalling of varying degrees" in the "concrete columns, beams, and walls" of the ground floor parking garage.

            The report also included photos of cracks in the columns and "spalling," or concrete tumbling, that had exposed steel reinforcements on the garage deck.

            Morabito noted several other reported problems, including residents complaining of water coming through their windows and balcony doors, as well as the deterioration of the concrete on several balconies.

            "Though some of this damage is minor, most of the concrete deterioration needs to be repaired in a timely fashion," Morabito wrote in the October 2018 report.

            I read somewhere else that he did not indicate any imminent type problems which apparently is what you do when it’s important to get right on it.

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              The engineer's report

              https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/champlain-towers-south-public-records/8777-collins-ave---structural-field-survey-report.pdf?sfvrsn=882a1194_2

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
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                Surfside building were facing assessments for $15 million worth of repairs

                Condo owners in the South Florida tower that collapsed last week were facing assessments for millions of dollars worth of repairs -- with payments set to begin a week after the building's deadly fall.

                The Champlain Towers South condo association approved a $15 million assessment in April to complete repairs required under the county's 40-year recertification process, according to documents obtained by CNN.
                The documents show that more than two years had passed after association members received a report about "major structural damage" in the building before they started the assessment process to pay for necessary repairs.
                Owners would have to pay assessments ranging from $80,190 for one-bedroom units to $336,135 for the owner of the building's four-bedroom penthouse, a document sent to the building's residents said. The deadline to pay upfront or choose paying a monthly fee lasting 15 years was July 1.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Jolly
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                  Well, I bet the recertification process grows bigger teeth in the immediate future.

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                    George K
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                    Nervous?

                    The Twin

                    About a block from the Miami-area beachfront condominium tower that collapsed sits its sister building, erected a year later by the same company, using the same materials and a similar design. It has faced the same tides and salty air.

                    This has made some residents of Champlain Towers North worried enough to leave, though most have remained, saying they are confident their almost 40-year-old, 12-story building is better maintained. They say their building doesn't have the same problems with cracking in support beams and in the pool area that 2018 engineering reports show the south tower had.

                    The collapse of Champlain Towers South in the town of Surfside on Thursday has drawn attention to older high-rise buildings throughout South Florida and prompted Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava to order a 30-day audit of whether such buildings under her jurisdiction are complying with a required recertification of structural integrity at 40 years. She said she wants any issues raised by inspections to be immediately addressed. She’s also urged municipalities within the county to follow suit. Miami, for example, has launched a 45-day audit of buildings six stories and higher that are 40 years old or older.

                    Inspectors performed a quick-hit examination of the north building and Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett said nothing was found that indicates the tower is in danger of collapse.

                    That didn't reassure everyone.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Remaining part of Surfside condo to be demolished, mayor says

                      Florida officials announced Friday that they plan to demolish the remaining structure of the Champlain Towers South condominium, following the partial collapse that killed at least 22 people and left more than 100 unaccounted for. Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said at an evening press conference that it will likely be weeks before the demolition begins.

                      Levine Cava said Friday night that she has signed an emergency order that will allow for the building to be demolished once engineers and other officials approve. She said the remaining structure "poses a threat to public health and safety," and that crews will move quickly to demolish it once it is deemed safe to do so

                      In a related story: Second condo tower evacuated in wake of collapse

                      City officials in North Miami Beach called for an emergency meeting Saturday after ordering the evacuation of a condominium tower just five miles from last week's building collapse that left 22 dead and more than 120 missing.

                      Authorities said Friday that the closing of the 156-unit Crestview Towers stems from an audit prompted by the Champlain Towers disaster in nearby Surfside.

                      “In an abundance of caution, the City ordered the building closed immediately and the residents evacuated for their protection, while a full structural assessment is conducted and next steps are determined,” North Miami Beach City Manager Arthur H. Sorey, III said. “Nothing is more important than the safety and lives of our residents, and we will not rest until we ensure this building is 100% safe.”

                      Raises an interesting question: Suppose you own one of the condos in the second building. Are you basically fucked? Does insurance cover any part of your loss?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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