Court Suspends Giuliani’s Law License
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Turley:
Giuliani has been temporarily suspended from the practice of law. Despite my long criticism of his conduct, this case could present some interesting issues if he seeks an appeal. Our past criticism of Giuliani's conduct should not blind us from the inherent dangers in suspending lawyers for rejected legal theories. It is a difficult and precarious line to draw. What may be a novel theory to some can be viewed as deceptive or frivolous to others. Again, this is less about Giuliani as what standard should be applied in such cases.
......we have not seen such efforts to disbar other controversial lawyers like Marc Elias and others accused of lying in past public scandals. The question is the scope of permissible claims raised (and rejected) in court.
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@jolly said in Court Suspends Giuliani’s Law License:
It's political horseshit.
The latter implies the former.
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“I taught legal ethics for, I don’t know, 35 years at Harvard Law school. I think of myself as a leading expert on legal ethics. I’ve never ever seen a case where a lawyer was essentially disbarred … without a hearing,” Dershowitz outlined. “I mean, the most basic concept of due process is you don’t deprive somebody of his living, of his freedom, of his ability to work without a hearing. And then the criteria under which they suspended his law license is so vague. It says in the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person. In other words, if he goes on your show, or he goes on my podcast, or he goes on Fox or anywhere else, and he makes a statement which turns out to be false, and he had reason to believe it was false, he could be disbarred. Do you know how many lawyers we’d have left if we applied that standard across the board? … We have case after case after case where prosecutors, defense attorneys, lawyers of every kind, have made statements … which turn out to be untrue, and they’re never disbarred. And certainly not without a hearing. And so, this is a first. … The atmosphere is such today that if you defended President Trump in any way, they’re out to get you. And they’re certainly out to get Rudy Giuliani.”
“The idea of holding lawyers to this standard of truth-telling when they’re on television is a whole new ballgame. It will chill free speech. It will chill advocacy,” he added.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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“I taught legal ethics for, I don’t know, 35 years at Harvard Law school. I think of myself as a leading expert on legal ethics. I’ve never ever seen a case where a lawyer was essentially disbarred … without a hearing,” Dershowitz outlined. “I mean, the most basic concept of due process is you don’t deprive somebody of his living, of his freedom, of his ability to work without a hearing. And then the criteria under which they suspended his law license is so vague. It says in the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person. In other words, if he goes on your show, or he goes on my podcast, or he goes on Fox or anywhere else, and he makes a statement which turns out to be false, and he had reason to believe it was false, he could be disbarred. Do you know how many lawyers we’d have left if we applied that standard across the board? … We have case after case after case where prosecutors, defense attorneys, lawyers of every kind, have made statements … which turn out to be untrue, and they’re never disbarred. And certainly not without a hearing. And so, this is a first. … The atmosphere is such today that if you defended President Trump in any way, they’re out to get you. And they’re certainly out to get Rudy Giuliani.”
“The idea of holding lawyers to this standard of truth-telling when they’re on television is a whole new ballgame. It will chill free speech. It will chill advocacy,” he added.
@george-k said in Court Suspends Giuliani’s Law License:
It says in the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person. In other words, if he goes on your show, or he goes on my podcast, or he goes on Fox or anywhere else, and he makes a statement which turns out to be false, and he had reason to believe it was false, he could be disbarred
Eric Swalwell's a lawyer, right? He said many things leading up to Impeachment I that were false.
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A felony conviction for falsifying evidence gets a lawyer a one-year suspension:
Ex-FBI lawyer agrees to one-year bar sanction after conviction
Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith has agreed to a one-year suspension of his attorney license in Washington, D.C., following his conviction in August 2020 on a felony false-statement charge arising from the internal review of the special counsel's Russia investigation, new bar records show.
Clinesmith and his lawyers at Lathrop GPM signed a negotiated discipline with the District of Columbia office of disciplinary counsel on June 11 that set out the proposed suspension.
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A felony conviction for falsifying evidence gets a lawyer a one-year suspension:
Ex-FBI lawyer agrees to one-year bar sanction after conviction
Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith has agreed to a one-year suspension of his attorney license in Washington, D.C., following his conviction in August 2020 on a felony false-statement charge arising from the internal review of the special counsel's Russia investigation, new bar records show.
Clinesmith and his lawyers at Lathrop GPM signed a negotiated discipline with the District of Columbia office of disciplinary counsel on June 11 that set out the proposed suspension.
@george-k said in Court Suspends Giuliani’s Law License:
A felony conviction for falsifying evidence gets a lawyer a one-year suspension:
Ex-FBI lawyer agrees to one-year bar sanction after conviction
Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith has agreed to a one-year suspension of his attorney license in Washington, D.C., following his conviction in August 2020 on a felony false-statement charge arising from the internal review of the special counsel's Russia investigation, new bar records show.
Clinesmith and his lawyers at Lathrop GPM signed a negotiated discipline with the District of Columbia office of disciplinary counsel on June 11 that set out the proposed suspension.
Presumably they were concerned about bringing the profession into repute.
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Nah, he screwed Trump, so lying to a court, ruining people's lives and sending an entire nation into turmoil is definitely worth a one year suspension, because Orange Man Bad.
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Nah, he screwed Trump, so lying to a court, ruining people's lives and sending an entire nation into turmoil is definitely worth a one year suspension, because Orange Man Bad.
@jolly said in Court Suspends Giuliani’s Law License:
Nah, he screwed Trump, so lying to a court, ruining people's lives and sending an entire nation into turmoil is definitely worth a one year suspension, because Orange Man Bad.
There are places in this country where, rightly or not, a felon does not have the right to vote.
At least he can practice law.
