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    Catseye3
    wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 18:58 last edited by
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    Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      Copper
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      The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”

      nation’s original sin

      Idiot

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      • C Catseye3
        17 Jun 2021, 18:58

        Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.

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        xenon
        wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:28 last edited by
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        @catseye3 said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

        Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.

        Do they really need to pay for a day off?

        Maybe overtime for some hourly workers.

        For white collar jobs, you have the work you need to do and your regular allotted amount of time.

        With a day off, I find work just compresses a bit - but I think people would take the occasional 4-day week workload to get a 3 day weekend.

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        • X xenon
          17 Jun 2021, 19:28

          @catseye3 said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

          Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.

          Do they really need to pay for a day off?

          Maybe overtime for some hourly workers.

          For white collar jobs, you have the work you need to do and your regular allotted amount of time.

          With a day off, I find work just compresses a bit - but I think people would take the occasional 4-day week workload to get a 3 day weekend.

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          Copper
          wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:31 last edited by
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          @xenon said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

          Do they really need to pay for a day off?

          This is federal workers we are talking about

          Every day is a day off

          The question is whether you are in the office

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          • C Copper
            17 Jun 2021, 19:27

            The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”

            nation’s original sin

            Idiot

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            Loki
            wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:33 last edited by
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            @copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

            The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”

            nation’s original sin

            Idiot

            What percent of American ancestors are we talking about. My ancestors had nothing to do with this. Not even here until well passed.

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            • X xenon
              17 Jun 2021, 17:58

              I think it's fine to have a day to mark the end of slavery (even if it's not the right date in a technical sense).

              More federal holidays = good, imo.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:34 last edited by
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              @xenon said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

              I think it's fine to have a day to mark the end of slavery (even if it's not the right date in a technical sense).

              More federal holidays = good, imo.

              You could have had the day Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation but that didn't free any slaves north of the Mason-Dixon.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                17 Jun 2021, 18:58

                Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.

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                Catseye3
                wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 22:58 last edited by
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                @catseye3 I thought about this some more.

                It's a fine idea to commemorate the end to slavery. It is a mark of respect at the very least. Maybe some ceremonies nationwide, faith based activities, what have you. But I don't think it rises to the level of a federal holiday.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 18 Jun 2021, 21:40 last edited by
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                  juneteenthcorporate.jpg

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                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • L Loki
                    17 Jun 2021, 19:33

                    @copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                    The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”

                    nation’s original sin

                    Idiot

                    What percent of American ancestors are we talking about. My ancestors had nothing to do with this. Not even here until well passed.

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                    Copper
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                    @loki said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                    @copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                    The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”

                    nation’s original sin

                    Idiot

                    What percent of American ancestors are we talking about. My ancestors had nothing to do with this. Not even here until well passed.

                    If you are white, you committed the original sin.

                    It will stain your soul forever.

                    Devoting your life to blm might buy some indulgence.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 18 Jun 2021, 22:51 last edited by Mik
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                      NPR was speaking to a guy in Texas who was running Juneteenth celebrations down there. His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday. We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.

                      About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • M Mik
                        18 Jun 2021, 22:51

                        NPR was speaking to a guy in Texas who was running Juneteenth celebrations down there. His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday. We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.

                        About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 18 Jun 2021, 22:58 last edited by
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                        @mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                        His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday.

                        And what, exactly, does that "justice" look like?

                        We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.

                        He mispronounced "money."

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • M Mik
                          18 Jun 2021, 22:51

                          NPR was speaking to a guy in Texas who was running Juneteenth celebrations down there. His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday. We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.

                          About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.

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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 08:24 last edited by Catseye3
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                          @mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                          About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.

                          That was one guy. There were other headlines that showed celebration (for some reason). There are going to be a wide variety of reactions; why not?

                          What is bothersome is your guy's use of we and they. They gave us. So long as that mindset prevails, we might as well hang it up as far as so-called equality goes.

                          You're right, that it was a bone, though.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 12:25 last edited by
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                            I don’t mind it being a holiday, but why do we have to call it Juneteenth. Can we just call it June 19th or Emancipation Day or something? Juneteenth just spreads the warped idea that African Americans are incapable of using a number and date system. #Stop the hate.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 12:48 last edited by
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                              Ending of slavery seems to me to be one of the the most important chapters in our history and is clearly deserving of a national holiday, probably more so than the most of the events or people we currently recognize that way. One can quibble on details but I’m not too concerned about it.

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                              • C Catseye3
                                19 Jun 2021, 08:24

                                @mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.

                                That was one guy. There were other headlines that showed celebration (for some reason). There are going to be a wide variety of reactions; why not?

                                What is bothersome is your guy's use of we and they. They gave us. So long as that mindset prevails, we might as well hang it up as far as so-called equality goes.

                                You're right, that it was a bone, though.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 13:18 last edited by
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                                @catseye3 said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                @mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.

                                That was one guy. There were other headlines that showed celebration (for some reason). There are going to be a wide variety of reactions; why not?

                                What is bothersome is your guy's use of we and they. They gave us. So long as that mindset prevails, we might as well hang it up as far as so-called equality goes.

                                You're right, that it was a bone, though.

                                Exactly.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  19 Jun 2021, 12:48

                                  Ending of slavery seems to me to be one of the the most important chapters in our history and is clearly deserving of a national holiday, probably more so than the most of the events or people we currently recognize that way. One can quibble on details but I’m not too concerned about it.

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                                  Catseye3
                                  wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 14:13 last edited by Catseye3
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                  . . . ending of slavery seems to me to be one of the the most important chapters in our history and is clearly deserving of a national holiday

                                  I'm kind of fuzzy in my mind about this, but there is something specious about the passage of this bill. In the present climate, it feels like it has more to do with wokeness, with gimmedat, than with a true spiritual recognition of the righting of a terrible wrong.

                                  This is fine if you're woke, wokeness undoubtedly has a lot to do with it, but let's acknowledge it for what it is: Noblesse oblige, and not all that respectfully delivered, either.

                                  People need to be watchful about the doing of a thing because it's the right thing to do, and the doing of it for some other, less noble reason.

                                  I'm thinking of the farmer and his garden in Watership Down right now.

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 17:09 last edited by
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                                    The event has some significance

                                    But the name is stupid

                                    Sorry, but it is stupid

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                                    • C Copper
                                      19 Jun 2021, 17:09

                                      The event has some significance

                                      But the name is stupid

                                      Sorry, but it is stupid

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                                      Loki
                                      wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 17:11 last edited by
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                                      @copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                      The event has some significance

                                      But the name is stupid

                                      Sorry, but it is stupid

                                      Exactly.

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                                      • C Copper
                                        19 Jun 2021, 17:09

                                        The event has some significance

                                        But the name is stupid

                                        Sorry, but it is stupid

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                                        Catseye3
                                        wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 17:12 last edited by
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                                        @copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                        But the name is stupid
                                        Sorry, but it is stupid

                                        This is for you and LuFin.

                                        I don't agree that it's stupid. That assumes that the only acceptable language usage can be rooted in white English/English-American.

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • C Catseye3
                                          19 Jun 2021, 17:12

                                          @copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                          But the name is stupid
                                          Sorry, but it is stupid

                                          This is for you and LuFin.

                                          I don't agree that it's stupid. That assumes that the only acceptable language usage can be rooted in white English/English-American.

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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 17:14 last edited by
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                                          @catseye3 said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                          @copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:

                                          But the name is stupid
                                          Sorry, but it is stupid

                                          This is for you and LuFin.

                                          I don't agree that it's stupid. That assumes that the only acceptable language usage can be rooted in white English/English-American.

                                          There is no such thing as white English, that would be stupid too

                                          There is American English, and that is the only acceptable language usage.

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