Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday
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wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 17:58 last edited by
I think it's fine to have a day to mark the end of slavery (even if it's not the right date in a technical sense).
More federal holidays = good, imo.
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wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 18:27 last edited by
Window dressin, a sop. No more.
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wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 18:58 last edited by
Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.
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wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:27 last edited by Copper
The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”
nation’s original sin
Idiot
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wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:28 last edited by
@catseye3 said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.
Do they really need to pay for a day off?
Maybe overtime for some hourly workers.
For white collar jobs, you have the work you need to do and your regular allotted amount of time.
With a day off, I find work just compresses a bit - but I think people would take the occasional 4-day week workload to get a 3 day weekend.
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@catseye3 said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
Agreed, except for the hit on employers, having to pay for another day off.
Do they really need to pay for a day off?
Maybe overtime for some hourly workers.
For white collar jobs, you have the work you need to do and your regular allotted amount of time.
With a day off, I find work just compresses a bit - but I think people would take the occasional 4-day week workload to get a 3 day weekend.
wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:31 last edited by@xenon said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
Do they really need to pay for a day off?
This is federal workers we are talking about
Every day is a day off
The question is whether you are in the office
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The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”
nation’s original sin
Idiot
wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:33 last edited by@copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”
nation’s original sin
Idiot
What percent of American ancestors are we talking about. My ancestors had nothing to do with this. Not even here until well passed.
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I think it's fine to have a day to mark the end of slavery (even if it's not the right date in a technical sense).
More federal holidays = good, imo.
wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 19:34 last edited by@xenon said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
I think it's fine to have a day to mark the end of slavery (even if it's not the right date in a technical sense).
More federal holidays = good, imo.
You could have had the day Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation but that didn't free any slaves north of the Mason-Dixon.
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wrote on 17 Jun 2021, 22:58 last edited by
@catseye3 I thought about this some more.
It's a fine idea to commemorate the end to slavery. It is a mark of respect at the very least. Maybe some ceremonies nationwide, faith based activities, what have you. But I don't think it rises to the level of a federal holiday.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2021, 21:40 last edited by
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@copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”
nation’s original sin
Idiot
What percent of American ancestors are we talking about. My ancestors had nothing to do with this. Not even here until well passed.
wrote on 18 Jun 2021, 22:06 last edited by@loki said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
@copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
The bill is sponsored by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and had 60 co-sponsors. He tweeted Monday: “We have a long road towards racial justice in the United States and we cannot get there without acknowledging our nation’s original sin of slavery. It is long past time to make Juneteenth a federal holiday.”
nation’s original sin
Idiot
What percent of American ancestors are we talking about. My ancestors had nothing to do with this. Not even here until well passed.
If you are white, you committed the original sin.
It will stain your soul forever.
Devoting your life to blm might buy some indulgence.
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wrote on 18 Jun 2021, 22:51 last edited by Mik
NPR was speaking to a guy in Texas who was running Juneteenth celebrations down there. His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday. We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.
About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.
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NPR was speaking to a guy in Texas who was running Juneteenth celebrations down there. His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday. We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.
About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.
wrote on 18 Jun 2021, 22:58 last edited by@mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday.
And what, exactly, does that "justice" look like?
We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.
He mispronounced "money."
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NPR was speaking to a guy in Texas who was running Juneteenth celebrations down there. His comments were 'We wanted justice, they gave us a holiday. We wanted reparations and they gave us a holiday'.
About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.
wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 08:24 last edited by Catseye3@mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.
That was one guy. There were other headlines that showed celebration (for some reason). There are going to be a wide variety of reactions; why not?
What is bothersome is your guy's use of we and they. They gave us. So long as that mindset prevails, we might as well hang it up as far as so-called equality goes.
You're right, that it was a bone, though.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 12:25 last edited by
I don’t mind it being a holiday, but why do we have to call it Juneteenth. Can we just call it June 19th or Emancipation Day or something? Juneteenth just spreads the warped idea that African Americans are incapable of using a number and date system. #Stop the hate.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 12:48 last edited by
Ending of slavery seems to me to be one of the the most important chapters in our history and is clearly deserving of a national holiday, probably more so than the most of the events or people we currently recognize that way. One can quibble on details but I’m not too concerned about it.
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@mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.
That was one guy. There were other headlines that showed celebration (for some reason). There are going to be a wide variety of reactions; why not?
What is bothersome is your guy's use of we and they. They gave us. So long as that mindset prevails, we might as well hang it up as far as so-called equality goes.
You're right, that it was a bone, though.
wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 13:18 last edited by@catseye3 said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
@mik said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
About what I figured. The plantation owners threw 'em a bone. SMH.
That was one guy. There were other headlines that showed celebration (for some reason). There are going to be a wide variety of reactions; why not?
What is bothersome is your guy's use of we and they. They gave us. So long as that mindset prevails, we might as well hang it up as far as so-called equality goes.
You're right, that it was a bone, though.
Exactly.
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Ending of slavery seems to me to be one of the the most important chapters in our history and is clearly deserving of a national holiday, probably more so than the most of the events or people we currently recognize that way. One can quibble on details but I’m not too concerned about it.
wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 14:13 last edited by Catseye3@jon-nyc said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
. . . ending of slavery seems to me to be one of the the most important chapters in our history and is clearly deserving of a national holiday
I'm kind of fuzzy in my mind about this, but there is something specious about the passage of this bill. In the present climate, it feels like it has more to do with wokeness, with gimmedat, than with a true spiritual recognition of the righting of a terrible wrong.
This is fine if you're woke, wokeness undoubtedly has a lot to do with it, but let's acknowledge it for what it is: Noblesse oblige, and not all that respectfully delivered, either.
People need to be watchful about the doing of a thing because it's the right thing to do, and the doing of it for some other, less noble reason.
I'm thinking of the farmer and his garden in Watership Down right now.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 17:09 last edited by
The event has some significance
But the name is stupid
Sorry, but it is stupid
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wrote on 19 Jun 2021, 17:11 last edited by
@copper said in Senate approves bill to make Juneteenth a federal holiday:
The event has some significance
But the name is stupid
Sorry, but it is stupid
Exactly.