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Even Lin Manual Miranda is not woke enough

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  • MikM Offline
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    https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/lin-manuel-miranda-responds-to-in-the-heights-colorism-criticism-1184394/?fbclid=IwAR3EFBssAD0JGpd3q35ZGtW1MT4JaXmd11zKD2sqBS_wP_gwuKbtMblcWf8

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        Loki
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        I love having permission not to have to watch a musical. Especially now that doesn’t represent what it is supposed to.

        NYT has a good piece on it this morning.

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          That was fucking stupid. I love the poster's tag line - "Democracy dies in unintelligible word salad."

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            That was fucking stupid. I love the poster's tag line - "Democracy dies in unintelligible word salad."

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            @mik said in Even Lin Manual Miranda is not woke enough:

            That was fucking stupid. I love the poster's tag line - "Democracy dies in unintelligible word salad."

            Even white people have a hard time understanding what he is saying. Imagine the underprivileged.

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              Remember when Obama ushered in the Post-Racial era? Good times!

              The Brad

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Indeed!

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • AxtremusA Away
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                  I watched the movie version of “In the Heights.”
                  Starts up a bit slow, but overall it’s a very good production.
                  The fire escape dance scene is pure movie magic that’s worth the price of admissions all by itself.

                  This summer the movie theaters will be filled with sequels and spin-offs (so far we’ve got the Boss Baby 2 sequel, the Fast & Furious F9 sequel, the Quiet Place 2 sequel, 101 Dalmatians spin-off Cruella, various Marvel and DC spin-offs to come). This makes “In the Heights” a rare “new idea” in movie theaters this season despite the original material being a 14+ year old musical (counting its off-Broadway years too).

                  And that fantastical dance scene on the apartment fire escape, no way they could have done that on a Broadway stage. That’s pure movie magic that transports you to a different world, better that all the spacetime-folding CGI that Marvel threw into Doctor Strange.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    I watched the movie version of “In the Heights.”
                    Starts up a bit slow, but overall it’s a very good production.
                    The fire escape dance scene is pure movie magic that’s worth the price of admissions all by itself.

                    This summer the movie theaters will be filled with sequels and spin-offs (so far we’ve got the Boss Baby 2 sequel, the Fast & Furious F9 sequel, the Quiet Place 2 sequel, 101 Dalmatians spin-off Cruella, various Marvel and DC spin-offs to come). This makes “In the Heights” a rare “new idea” in movie theaters this season despite the original material being a 14+ year old musical (counting its off-Broadway years too).

                    And that fantastical dance scene on the apartment fire escape, no way they could have done that on a Broadway stage. That’s pure movie magic that transports you to a different world, better that all the spacetime-folding CGI that Marvel threw into Doctor Strange.

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                    @axtremus said in Even Lin Manual Miranda is not woke enough:

                    And that fantastical dance scene on the apartment fire escape, no way they could have done that on a Broadway stage. That’s pure movie magic that transports you to a different world, better that all the spacetime-folding CGI that Marvel threw into Doctor Strange.

                    A waste of time. You should have been learning a skill or putting in more hours at work.

                    Please love yourself.

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                      I've seen it on stage and the movie and liked both. They did many scenes in the movie that of course could not be done on stage. They kind of had to or else there was no real reason to make it.

                      Still waiting skeptically to see Spielberg's version of West Side Story. That show is such a period piece in terms of style and originality that I'm not quite convinced a remake will bring anything great, but we'll see.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        I've seen it on stage and the movie and liked both. They did many scenes in the movie that of course could not be done on stage. They kind of had to or else there was no real reason to make it.

                        Still waiting skeptically to see Spielberg's version of West Side Story. That show is such a period piece in terms of style and originality that I'm not quite convinced a remake will bring anything great, but we'll see.

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                        @mik said in Even Lin Manual Miranda is not woke enough:

                        Still waiting skeptically to see Spielberg's version of West Side Story. That show is such a period piece in terms of style and originality that I'm not quite convinced a remake will bring anything great, but we'll see.

                        It's got aliens in it. And a big shark. And Nazis. It will be way better.

                        I was only joking

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                          In other news, Barry Diller says the movie business is dead.

                          https://www.npr.org/2021/07/08/1014095135/barry-diller-headed-2-hollywood-studios-he-now-says-the-movie-business-is-dead

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                            In other news, Barry Diller says the movie business is dead.

                            https://www.npr.org/2021/07/08/1014095135/barry-diller-headed-2-hollywood-studios-he-now-says-the-movie-business-is-dead

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                            @loki said in Even Lin Manual Miranda is not woke enough:

                            In other news, Barry Diller says the movie business is dead.

                            He's not wrong. The last movie that I can remember seeing that was worth remembering was Cold Mountain.

                            'Course, I haven't seen many movies, good or bad, since then, having stupidly buried myself in this fucking backwater.

                            But still.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              "The movie business as before is finished and will never come back."

                              Oh no, not again.

                              I was only joking

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                                The movie business is not dead, it's just changing. Maybe for the better.

                                With less blockbuster movies with their blockbuster budgets, maybe we see a return to less expensive, better scripted fare.

                                If one of the big streaming services had any sense, they'd create a version of the old studio system. Kind of a version of what Hallmark does now, but with varied scripts and a notch up on their stable of talent. And I suspect with a good director, you can shoot a good quality movie in 6-8 weeks. Or less.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  The movie business is not dead, it's just changing. Maybe for the better.

                                  With less blockbuster movies with their blockbuster budgets, maybe we see a return to less expensive, better scripted fare.

                                  If one of the big streaming services had any sense, they'd create a version of the old studio system. Kind of a version of what Hallmark does now, but with varied scripts and a notch up on their stable of talent. And I suspect with a good director, you can shoot a good quality movie in 6-8 weeks. Or less.

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                                  Axtremus
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                                  @jolly said in Even Lin Manual Miranda is not woke enough:

                                  If one of the big streaming services had any sense, they'd create a version of the old studio system. Kind of a version of what Hallmark does now, but with varied scripts and a notch up on their stable of talent. And I suspect with a good director, you can shoot a good quality movie in 6-8 weeks. Or less.

                                  There are many such “studios” in China creating lots of content that goes straight to the streaming market. Most of the output is mediocre. The volume of output is stupendous, but the overall quality is low. Heck, Hallmark itself puts out lots of mediocre contents.

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                                    I agree that Hallmark puts out lots of mediocre content. But they do it fast, and sometimes will shoot movies back to back, keeping two or three "stars" and changing out the supporting cast. And they do it cheap.

                                    Back in the halcyon days of Hollywood, some major stars made four movies per year. My point is that Netflix/Prime, etc., could put X number of actors under contract, creating a stable of accessible talent. They could then vet proposed scripts, assign actors and directors, and fund picture budgets.

                                    What could you do a decent western for? Two or three million? Using the Saints & Sinners formula, you could do a war flick for the same amount. With a standard stable of actors, you could do a RomCom for less.

                                    Are you going to get some mediocre stuff? Sure. Maybe even a few dogs. But if the company can do a good job with scripts and casting, they'll turn out some movies that will be quite good. Remember, the streaming services are not relegated to broadcast standards. They can do R rated stuff, PG or G. I do think anything past R would be a death knell for a service.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      When I look at these streaming websites, I never, ever think 'there's not enough movies'. Adding a few hundred more mediocre ones is the last thing I want.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        I dunno.

                                        People can be voracious consumers of content. And maybe there are some things the streaming service can do, that cable can't...Maybe pick your own movie ending? Maybe tie in the movie plot with what happened in the gaming world last week?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          I’ve watched a ton of streaming content. The beauty of a decent movie is the curation, pacing, production values.

                                          You get a two hour version of an entire season, and it is quite refreshing. I enjoy having to pay more attention.

                                          That said if people won’t pay to go to the movies in mass anymore, investors are going to put their money where the growth is. It’s that simple.

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