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@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
Before computers, you could look at a piece of technology and gain some insight into how it worked.
And with computers, you can look at a piece of code and gain some insight into how it works.
Which is a lot less cool or interesting to anyone not doing it for a living.
That's why coding should be a basic skill that everyone should have to some degree, regardless of whether he or she does it for a living.
It is neither surprising nor in keeping with the spirit of this thread to learn you feel that way about what you do for a living.
It's not that I'm saying that. Basically everybody is saying that.
wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 18:02 last edited byI assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
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I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 18:35 last edited by@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
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@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 18:59 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
doing in the schools?
That probably depends first on Public vs Private vs Parochial.
It seems like Public schools place a lot of emphasis on gender studies and racism.
Private schools emphasize networking and making the right connections.
The Parochial schools educate students as individuals, intellectually and spiritually.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
Before computers, you could look at a piece of technology and gain some insight into how it worked.
And with computers, you can look at a piece of code and gain some insight into how it works.
Which is a lot less cool or interesting to anyone not doing it for a living.
That's why coding should be a basic skill that everyone should have to some degree, regardless of whether he or she does it for a living.
wrote on 11 Oct 2022, 19:15 last edited by@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
Before computers, you could look at a piece of technology and gain some insight into how it worked.
And with computers, you can look at a piece of code and gain some insight into how it works.
Which is a lot less cool or interesting to anyone not doing it for a living.
That's why coding should be a basic skill that everyone should have to some degree, regardless of whether he or she does it for a living.
I feel the same way about testing your electrical equipment's potential for causing gas and dust explosions.
And let's be honest, mine is going to be a lot more fun than your boring programming shite.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 01:06 last edited by
Scientists from the University of New South Wales in Australia did some math. When 22 pounds of fat is oxidized, 18.5 pounds leave the body through the lungs as CO2.â
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@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
Before computers, you could look at a piece of technology and gain some insight into how it worked.
And with computers, you can look at a piece of code and gain some insight into how it works.
Which is a lot less cool or interesting to anyone not doing it for a living.
That's why coding should be a basic skill that everyone should have to some degree, regardless of whether he or she does it for a living.
I feel the same way about testing your electrical equipment's potential for causing gas and dust explosions.
And let's be honest, mine is going to be a lot more fun than your boring programming shite.
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 01:32 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Mildly interesting:
@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
Before computers, you could look at a piece of technology and gain some insight into how it worked.
And with computers, you can look at a piece of code and gain some insight into how it works.
Which is a lot less cool or interesting to anyone not doing it for a living.
That's why coding should be a basic skill that everyone should have to some degree, regardless of whether he or she does it for a living.
I feel the same way about testing your electrical equipment's potential for causing gas and dust explosions.
And let's be honest, mine is going to be a lot more fun than your boring programming shite.
I have a feeling that jon's suggestions on this topic would be more than mildly interesting.
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@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 11:08 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
Why can't we have both?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
Why can't we have both?
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 13:22 last edited by@Jolly said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
Why can't we have both?
Fine by me. Seems insane, though, that we have neither.
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@Jolly said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
Why can't we have both?
Fine by me. Seems insane, though, that we have neither.
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 14:50 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Jolly said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
Why can't we have both?
Fine by me. Seems insane, though, that we have neither.
We do have both. Well, the public school district in my area has both. Language, art, music, history, STEM (including computer science), economics, business, etc. are all available as classes and as after school clubs. From what Iâm seeing here, I think our younger generation will do just fine.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Jolly said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
Why can't we have both?
Fine by me. Seems insane, though, that we have neither.
We do have both. Well, the public school district in my area has both. Language, art, music, history, STEM (including computer science), economics, business, etc. are all available as classes and as after school clubs. From what Iâm seeing here, I think our younger generation will do just fine.
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 15:38 last edited by@Axtremus said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Jolly said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
Why can't we have both?
Fine by me. Seems insane, though, that we have neither.
We do have both. Well, the public school district in my area has both. Language, art, music, history, STEM (including computer science), economics, business, etc. are all available as classes and as after school clubs. From what Iâm seeing here, I think our younger generation will do just fine.
Your endorsement is the best evidence there is that something is terribly wrong.
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@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I assume coding will enjoy the same appreciation and comprehension among adults who learned it as kids, as algebra does.
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
- The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
- The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.
Spend fifteen minutes looking into the curricula around the U.S. and probably the western world for that matter. Both camps are right in their assessment. Which begs the question of just what in the fuck are we doing in the schools?
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 15:48 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.I don't think at all that the primary purpose of schools is to make kids "marketable". When I say "coding", I don't mean "program web pages". I mean it in the sense of "get a new perspective on the world". That's not the way coding is taught, but it should. It's a way of thinking. The fact that it can also be used to instruct silly machines isn't what's interesting about it.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.I don't think at all that the primary purpose of schools is to make kids "marketable". When I say "coding", I don't mean "program web pages". I mean it in the sense of "get a new perspective on the world". That's not the way coding is taught, but it should. It's a way of thinking. The fact that it can also be used to instruct silly machines isn't what's interesting about it.
wrote on 12 Oct 2022, 16:55 last edited by@Klaus said in Mildly interesting:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mildly interesting:
See, okay, that's the thing. There are two schools of thought about education:
The "prepare kids to be marketable" camp. These people, like Klaus perhaps, think education poorly prepares kids for the kind of skills they'll need out in the world: coding, financial literacy, managerial and communication skills.
The "prepare kids to live meaningfully" camp. These people, like me, think education poorly prepares kids to have thoughts and perspectives, and the training required to share them: through writing, music, the arts.I don't think at all that the primary purpose of schools is to make kids "marketable". When I say "coding", I don't mean "program web pages". I mean it in the sense of "get a new perspective on the world". That's not the way coding is taught, but it should. It's a way of thinking. The fact that it can also be used to instruct silly machines isn't what's interesting about it.
Yeah, that's fair. I just think it's funny that regardless of how one views the purpose of education, chances are good you're not too happy with the system at present.
Coding is indeed a good thing to learn. It can be a good intro to logic and reasoning, in a way in which the logical "experiments" you run can be immediately tested.
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wrote on 13 Oct 2022, 15:43 last edited by
A 150 ft. Iceberg passing through Iceberg Alley near Twillingate, Newfoundland, Canada. A great view for your morning coffee.
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wrote on 13 Oct 2022, 15:59 last edited by mark
13 pictures of the sun, each month, same place, same time.
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Iâve seen that before. Nature is metal.
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wrote on 14 Oct 2022, 11:12 last edited by
@George-K fascinating movie. âMy octopus teacherâ. I assure you, you will never be able to look at an octopus again without this movie coming to mind.
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@George-K fascinating movie. âMy octopus teacherâ. I assure you, you will never be able to look at an octopus again without this movie coming to mind.
wrote on 14 Oct 2022, 11:33 last edited by@bachophile said in Mildly interesting:
@George-K fascinating movie. âMy octopus teacherâ. I assure you, you will never be able to look at an octopus again without this movie coming to mind.
Yes. We talked about it a while ago - I think @Horace , being the misanthrope (or whatever the term is for an octopus hater is) that he is was not impressed.
I enjoyed it however.
I may have mentioned Sy Montgomery's book, The Soul of an Octopus: A Surprising Exploration into the Wonder of Consciousness in that thread. It's a great read with lots of insights that are amplified in that movie.
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@bachophile said in Mildly interesting:
@George-K fascinating movie. âMy octopus teacherâ. I assure you, you will never be able to look at an octopus again without this movie coming to mind.
Yes. We talked about it a while ago - I think @Horace , being the misanthrope (or whatever the term is for an octopus hater is) that he is was not impressed.
I enjoyed it however.
I may have mentioned Sy Montgomery's book, The Soul of an Octopus: A Surprising Exploration into the Wonder of Consciousness in that thread. It's a great read with lots of insights that are amplified in that movie.
wrote on 14 Oct 2022, 11:43 last edited by@George-K said in Mildly interesting:
@bachophile said in Mildly interesting:
@George-K fascinating movie. âMy octopus teacherâ. I assure you, you will never be able to look at an octopus again without this movie coming to mind.
Yes. We talked about it a while ago - I think @Horace , being the misanthrope (or whatever the term is for an octopus hater is) that he is was not impressed.
I enjoyed it. I think @Mik didnât.
Thatâs the worst gaffe youâve made since you attributed my original thought that gender reassignment would be judged historically as lobotomies are, to some random article you read.
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@George-K said in Mildly interesting:
@bachophile said in Mildly interesting:
@George-K fascinating movie. âMy octopus teacherâ. I assure you, you will never be able to look at an octopus again without this movie coming to mind.
Yes. We talked about it a while ago - I think @Horace , being the misanthrope (or whatever the term is for an octopus hater is) that he is was not impressed.
I enjoyed it. I think @Mik didnât.
Thatâs the worst gaffe youâve made since you attributed my original thought that gender reassignment would be judged historically as lobotomies are, to some random article you read.
wrote on 14 Oct 2022, 11:49 last edited by@Horace said in Mildly interesting:
I enjoyed it. I think @Mik didnât.
You are correct, and please excuse my misattribution.