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    Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.

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      @horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

      Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.

      A co-worker of mine didn't get his, and won't be getting one. He had surgery last year, and they ran a shitload of tests on his immune system prior. His doc said he'd be better off not getting it. Not that it matters but I'm completely fine with that; I don't know the details and I'm not a doctor. There are plenty other reasons to not get a vaccine; some of which Mr. Carlson even pointed out.

      But for every person who gets sick, it's another opportunity for worse variants to arise. Putting yourself at risk is also putting everyone else at risk, too. So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.

      Same goes for the mask-shaming fucks who give my relatives a hard time for still wearing one due to their health conditions.

      Please love yourself.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.

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        @horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

        Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.

        I get it. I just have to say 1.74 billion doses of vaccine have been administered. 1.74 BILLION. I can’t think of sample sizes bigger, can you?

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

          Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.

          A co-worker of mine didn't get his, and won't be getting one. He had surgery last year, and they ran a shitload of tests on his immune system prior. His doc said he'd be better off not getting it. Not that it matters but I'm completely fine with that; I don't know the details and I'm not a doctor. There are plenty other reasons to not get a vaccine; some of which Mr. Carlson even pointed out.

          But for every person who gets sick, it's another opportunity for worse variants to arise. Putting yourself at risk is also putting everyone else at risk, too. So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.

          Same goes for the mask-shaming fucks who give my relatives a hard time for still wearing one due to their health conditions.

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          @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

          So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.

          I think the freedom to choose is important, but that implies that it is still one's own choice. I have the freedom to do lots of things that I still don't want to do, even if I appreciate the value of the freedom. I wouldn't be so quick to assume anybody is avoiding the vaccination just to make a point about freedom. They probably just don't want the vaccine for their own reasons. They get to have those, even if it makes them assholes in the eyes of many.

          Education is extremely important.

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            @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

            So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.

            I think the freedom to choose is important, but that implies that it is still one's own choice. I have the freedom to do lots of things that I still don't want to do, even if I appreciate the value of the freedom. I wouldn't be so quick to assume anybody is avoiding the vaccination just to make a point about freedom. They probably just don't want the vaccine for their own reasons. They get to have those, even if it makes them assholes in the eyes of many.

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            @horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

            @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

            So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.

            I think the freedom to choose is important, but that implies that it is still one's own choice. I have the freedom to do lots of things that I still don't want to do, even if I appreciate the value of the freedom. I wouldn't be so quick to assume anybody is avoiding the vaccination just to make a point about freedom. They probably just don't want the vaccine for their own reasons. They get to have those, even if it makes them assholes in the eyes of many.

            It’s not that they are assholes. It’s that they are not credible, so their argument should just be fuck off and not some bizarre chain of illogic. They truly are low information people or should I say choose to believe fringe over reality.

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              What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.

              It does not confer immunity from COVID.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                I got the Moderna vaccine.
                Or did I?
                Easier to just say I did, so everyone thinks I'm good.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.

                  It does not confer immunity from COVID.

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                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

                  What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.

                  It does not confer immunity from COVID.

                  No, I actually haven't lost sight of that at all.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.

                    It does not confer immunity from COVID.

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                    @jolly said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

                    What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.

                    It does not confer immunity from COVID.

                    I really want to understand your point. If it prevents hospitalization and death and allows society to function and people retain their jobs what am I missing?

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                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:

                      What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.

                      It does not confer immunity from COVID.

                      I really want to understand your point. If it prevents hospitalization and death and allows society to function and people retain their jobs what am I missing?

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                      @loki The point is that fully vaccinated individuals are capable of transmitting the disease, just like unvaccinated people.

                      Therefore, it is incumbent upon the individual to take responsibility for himself. Being vaccinated may, or may not protect society in this case, especially the further you are from your vaccination.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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