Meanwhile, in St. Louis...
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wrote on 25 May 2021, 20:57 last edited by
COVID parties?
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COVID parties?
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@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
COVID parties?
Russian Roulette style.
I saw an analysis that showed a 12 year old was at greater statistical risk from the vaccine than they were from COVID. Can’t verify the veracity, but it would be an interesting analysis for a NEJM or other journal to run....
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@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
COVID parties?
Russian Roulette style.
I saw an analysis that showed a 12 year old was at greater statistical risk from the vaccine than they were from COVID. Can’t verify the veracity, but it would be an interesting analysis for a NEJM or other journal to run....
wrote on 26 May 2021, 12:20 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
COVID parties?
Russian Roulette style.
I saw an analysis that showed a 12 year old was at greater statistical risk from the vaccine than they were from COVID. Can’t verify the veracity, but it would be an interesting analysis for a NEJM or other journal to run....
I’m not surprised but they would be a ticking time bomb next to an immunocompromised or unvaccinated person. :
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@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
COVID parties?
Russian Roulette style.
I saw an analysis that showed a 12 year old was at greater statistical risk from the vaccine than they were from COVID. Can’t verify the veracity, but it would be an interesting analysis for a NEJM or other journal to run....
I’m not surprised but they would be a ticking time bomb next to an immunocompromised or unvaccinated person. :
: you are dead.wrote on 26 May 2021, 14:32 last edited by@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
COVID parties?
Russian Roulette style.
I saw an analysis that showed a 12 year old was at greater statistical risk from the vaccine than they were from COVID. Can’t verify the veracity, but it would be an interesting analysis for a NEJM or other journal to run....
I’m not surprised but they would be a ticking time bomb next to an immunocompromised or unvaccinated person. :
: you are dead.Wow! How dramatic! A ticking time bomb! Except it is extraordinarily hard for a 12 year old to even catch the disease and even more difficult for them to spread it. The breakthrough superspreader event among vaccinated adults you told us about a couple of days ago is as great a risk. Possibly greater. I would like to see an analysis of that, too.
By the way, did you see the study Jolly postethat seems to suggest that a large number of immunosuppressed that aren’t showing antibodies after the second dose of vaccine ARE showing T-Cell response? It’s not as bleak as supposed.
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@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
COVID parties?
Russian Roulette style.
I saw an analysis that showed a 12 year old was at greater statistical risk from the vaccine than they were from COVID. Can’t verify the veracity, but it would be an interesting analysis for a NEJM or other journal to run....
I’m not surprised but they would be a ticking time bomb next to an immunocompromised or unvaccinated person. :
: you are dead.Wow! How dramatic! A ticking time bomb! Except it is extraordinarily hard for a 12 year old to even catch the disease and even more difficult for them to spread it. The breakthrough superspreader event among vaccinated adults you told us about a couple of days ago is as great a risk. Possibly greater. I would like to see an analysis of that, too.
By the way, did you see the study Jolly postethat seems to suggest that a large number of immunosuppressed that aren’t showing antibodies after the second dose of vaccine ARE showing T-Cell response? It’s not as bleak as supposed.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 16:34 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
COVID parties?
Russian Roulette style.
I saw an analysis that showed a 12 year old was at greater statistical risk from the vaccine than they were from COVID. Can’t verify the veracity, but it would be an interesting analysis for a NEJM or other journal to run....
I’m not surprised but they would be a ticking time bomb next to an immunocompromised or unvaccinated person. :
: you are dead.Wow! How dramatic! A ticking time bomb! Except it is extraordinarily hard for a 12 year old to even catch the disease and even more difficult for them to spread it. The breakthrough superspreader event among vaccinated adults you told us about a couple of days ago is as great a risk. Possibly greater. I would like to see an analysis of that, too.
By the way, did you see the study Jolly postethat seems to suggest that a large number of immunosuppressed that aren’t showing antibodies after the second dose of vaccine ARE showing T-Cell response? It’s not as bleak as supposed.
From the very beginning I was very worried about our economy and the impact of a lockdown. All I want is us to get back to normal and the anti vax movement is just in the way and all this talk of civil liberties and vaccine danger is just a massive impediment. It smells really really selfish.
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wrote on 26 May 2021, 16:42 last edited by
Civil liberties are an impediment. Good to know.
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Civil liberties are an impediment. Good to know.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 16:50 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
Civil liberties are an impediment. Good to know.
Like David Brooks said we had soldiers take the hill at Iwo Jima, we are only asking you to go to the CVS. Yeah it’s filibustering based on superstition or putting partisan politics above all. I am very middle of the road, I can see motivated reasoning a mile away.
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wrote on 26 May 2021, 17:02 last edited by Horace
Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.
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Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 17:20 last edited by Aqua Letifer@horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.
A co-worker of mine didn't get his, and won't be getting one. He had surgery last year, and they ran a shitload of tests on his immune system prior. His doc said he'd be better off not getting it. Not that it matters but I'm completely fine with that; I don't know the details and I'm not a doctor. There are plenty other reasons to not get a vaccine; some of which Mr. Carlson even pointed out.
But for every person who gets sick, it's another opportunity for worse variants to arise. Putting yourself at risk is also putting everyone else at risk, too. So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.
Same goes for the mask-shaming fucks who give my relatives a hard time for still wearing one due to their health conditions.
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Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 17:23 last edited by@horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.
I get it. I just have to say 1.74 billion doses of vaccine have been administered. 1.74 BILLION. I can’t think of sample sizes bigger, can you?
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@horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
Human beings are selfish - all of them - and need to be allowed to be selfish, certainly to the extent of not getting a COVID shot. But have at it if you want to call them assholes etc. They're clearly not in the mood to listen, and I don't hate them for that.
A co-worker of mine didn't get his, and won't be getting one. He had surgery last year, and they ran a shitload of tests on his immune system prior. His doc said he'd be better off not getting it. Not that it matters but I'm completely fine with that; I don't know the details and I'm not a doctor. There are plenty other reasons to not get a vaccine; some of which Mr. Carlson even pointed out.
But for every person who gets sick, it's another opportunity for worse variants to arise. Putting yourself at risk is also putting everyone else at risk, too. So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.
Same goes for the mask-shaming fucks who give my relatives a hard time for still wearing one due to their health conditions.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 18:19 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.
I think the freedom to choose is important, but that implies that it is still one's own choice. I have the freedom to do lots of things that I still don't want to do, even if I appreciate the value of the freedom. I wouldn't be so quick to assume anybody is avoiding the vaccination just to make a point about freedom. They probably just don't want the vaccine for their own reasons. They get to have those, even if it makes them assholes in the eyes of many.
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@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.
I think the freedom to choose is important, but that implies that it is still one's own choice. I have the freedom to do lots of things that I still don't want to do, even if I appreciate the value of the freedom. I wouldn't be so quick to assume anybody is avoiding the vaccination just to make a point about freedom. They probably just don't want the vaccine for their own reasons. They get to have those, even if it makes them assholes in the eyes of many.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 18:25 last edited by Loki@horace said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
@aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
So yes, those who cite freedom as legitimate reason to not get vaccinated are, in my estimation, pieces of shit.
I think the freedom to choose is important, but that implies that it is still one's own choice. I have the freedom to do lots of things that I still don't want to do, even if I appreciate the value of the freedom. I wouldn't be so quick to assume anybody is avoiding the vaccination just to make a point about freedom. They probably just don't want the vaccine for their own reasons. They get to have those, even if it makes them assholes in the eyes of many.
It’s not that they are assholes. It’s that they are not credible, so their argument should just be fuck off and not some bizarre chain of illogic. They truly are low information people or should I say choose to believe fringe over reality.
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wrote on 26 May 2021, 18:56 last edited by
What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.
It does not confer immunity from COVID.
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wrote on 26 May 2021, 19:00 last edited by
I got the Moderna vaccine.
Or did I?
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What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.
It does not confer immunity from COVID.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 19:20 last edited by@jolly said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.
It does not confer immunity from COVID.
No, I actually haven't lost sight of that at all.
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What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.
It does not confer immunity from COVID.
wrote on 26 May 2021, 19:40 last edited by@jolly said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.
It does not confer immunity from COVID.
I really want to understand your point. If it prevents hospitalization and death and allows society to function and people retain their jobs what am I missing?
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@jolly said in Meanwhile, in St. Louis...:
What most of you have lost sight of, is the COVID vaccine is not a vaccine in a traditional sense.
It does not confer immunity from COVID.
I really want to understand your point. If it prevents hospitalization and death and allows society to function and people retain their jobs what am I missing?
wrote on 26 May 2021, 20:02 last edited by@loki The point is that fully vaccinated individuals are capable of transmitting the disease, just like unvaccinated people.
Therefore, it is incumbent upon the individual to take responsibility for himself. Being vaccinated may, or may not protect society in this case, especially the further you are from your vaccination.