HIPAA
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 13:16 last edited by
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Googling around, it seems that HIIPA only applies to "Healthcare Organizations." So, if a private business asks, it's not a violation of the law.
But, as @jolly basically says, is it a violation of the spirit of the law? Who should have access to your health data, the guy whom (ahem) you want to bake a cake for you?
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 13:20 last edited by
Who is right
The folks who say one should get vaccinated as long as one is eligible.
So, suppose you're not eligible, because of health/allergy/whatever issues. Should you be denied service at whatever institution?
At this point, yes, institutions and business operators should absolutely have the right to refuse service to the unvaccinated. Why? Because we haven’t achieve herd immunity. Herd immunity is the thing that protects the ones who may never be eligible for the vaccine. Without herd immunity, the risk to the unvaccinated is high.
Who are the ones stopping us from achieving herd immunity? The aforementioned ”stupid COVID deniers and stupid anti-vaxxers and stupid/immoral political opportunists (who are usually also Trump-leaning) want to keep denying that COVID-19 is real and avoid taking personal responsibility to not be a COVID-19 vector”. They are preventing lives for the ones who are not vaccine eligible from getting better.
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 13:26 last edited by
HIPPA (AKA Hillary's Revenge) is not a factor here at all.. I really don't feel strongly about it one way or the other. People can do as they please with their businesses and customers can respond accordingly.
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 13:28 last edited by
At this point, yes, institutions and business operators should absolutely have the right to refuse service to the unvaccinated. Why? Because we haven’t achieve herd immunity.
Lad, we are never going to have herd immunity. Right now, it is becoming increasingly clear that breakthrough infections are real. Granted, moreso with the A-Z vaccine than with others, but real, nonetheless.
And this is with the same strain, not the new variants or variants that will arise in the future. Right now, we are having trouble getting most people vaccinated. How successful do you think we'll be in getting all those people to take a yearly, statistically calculated booster?
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At this point, yes, institutions and business operators should absolutely have the right to refuse service to the unvaccinated. Why? Because we haven’t achieve herd immunity.
Lad, we are never going to have herd immunity. Right now, it is becoming increasingly clear that breakthrough infections are real. Granted, moreso with the A-Z vaccine than with others, but real, nonetheless.
And this is with the same strain, not the new variants or variants that will arise in the future. Right now, we are having trouble getting most people vaccinated. How successful do you think we'll be in getting all those people to take a yearly, statistically calculated booster?
wrote on 22 May 2021, 13:38 last edited by Axtremus@jolly, “breakthrough infection” is fine as long as it doesn’t get people killed, hospitalized, or leave people with severe long-term health issues. And the vaccines have so far been shown to be very effective at preventing death, hospitalization, and even symptoms. Even then, “breakthrough infection” among the vaccinated against COVID-19 is down in the 0.01% range. That’s not the sort of order of magnitude that would stand in the way or herd immunity, it’s something like three orders of magnitude away from that.
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 13:43 last edited by
That's same strain type stuff. It won't be long before we have 20 variants or more in this country.
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That's same strain type stuff. It won't be long before we have 20 variants or more in this country.
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 14:05 last edited by
Talk about me moving goalposts?:
Two more weeks....
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Actually, this is pretty good stuff.
At what point does society's need to know, outweigh patient privacy? I've been beat over the head with HIIPA for decades...God help you if you gave out any PHI.
Now, many are calling for vaccine screening before you attend a ballgame or fly on an airplane.
Who is right and who is wrong?
wrote on 22 May 2021, 17:09 last edited by LokiActually, this is pretty good stuff.
At what point does society's need to know, outweigh patient privacy? I've been beat over the head with HIIPA for decades...God help you if you gave out any PHI.
Now, many are calling for vaccine screening before you attend a ballgame or fly on an airplane.
Who is right and who is wrong?
Jesus. The objective was to make sure your health issues couldn’t be used against you. A vaccine isnt even close to that. I hate these stupid conversations.
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 17:24 last edited by
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 18:09 last edited by
An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.
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An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.
wrote on 22 May 2021, 18:13 last edited by LokiAn airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.
We probably should get rid of the masks now. I do think if you have an insurance and you elect not to take the free vaccine you ought to have a heavy co pay at least if you get covid and need treatment. Why should I have to have my insurance rates jacked to pay for these freeloaders?
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An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.
We probably should get rid of the masks now. I do think if you have an insurance and you elect not to take the free vaccine you ought to have a heavy co pay at least if you get covid and need treatment. Why should I have to have my insurance rates jacked to pay for these freeloaders?
wrote on 22 May 2021, 18:16 last edited byAn airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.
We probably should get rid of the masks now. I do think if you have an insurance and you elect not to take the free vaccine you ought to have a heavy co pay at least if you get covid and need treatment. Why should I have to have my insurance rates jacked to pay for these freeloaders?
I've been saying that about fat people for years.
The fat people are really hogging health insurance coverage.
And they aren't protected from discrimination, we can do anything we want to fat people.
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 18:25 last edited by
Masks and vaccines are all the GOP have to push right now to keep the base going.
I think people who took the shot have seriously moved on.
I only keep mentioning it because it’s probably good advice to help your “hesitant” friends. Time to come out of the fox hole. The war is over.
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@jolly, “breakthrough infection” is fine as long as it doesn’t get people killed, hospitalized, or leave people with severe long-term health issues. And the vaccines have so far been shown to be very effective at preventing death, hospitalization, and even symptoms. Even then, “breakthrough infection” among the vaccinated against COVID-19 is down in the 0.01% range. That’s not the sort of order of magnitude that would stand in the way or herd immunity, it’s something like three orders of magnitude away from that.
wrote on 22 May 2021, 18:28 last edited by@jolly, “breakthrough infection” is fine as long as it doesn’t get people killed, hospitalized, or leave people with severe long-term health issues. And the vaccines have so far been shown to be very effective at preventing death, hospitalization, and even symptoms. Even then, “breakthrough infection” among the vaccinated against COVID-19 is down in the 0.01% range. That’s not the sort of order of magnitude that would stand in the way or herd immunity, it’s something like three orders of magnitude away from that.
Right now, getting exposed to COVID in the US is in the .0085% range.
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 18:29 last edited by
Have any of the vaccines been fully approved yet? Or are they all on the emergency approval?
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wrote on 22 May 2021, 18:48 last edited by
Hey Jolly, I think this kind of question is likely more in your wheelhouse:
How is a variant of Covid determined or found? You (generic) get the test, it goes through whatever process, and the result comes back positive. But where along this path is it determined that your Covid is a mutated strain and not the original? Is there someone in each lab that, I dunno, looks at some samples under a microscope and sees something different?
And it's driving me crazy: is it HIPPA, HIIPA, or HIPA.
I could look it up, but there are health care professionals in the building, so I know a quick answer could be had, to help us all. Or, Ax can tell, betcha. -
Hey Jolly, I think this kind of question is likely more in your wheelhouse:
How is a variant of Covid determined or found? You (generic) get the test, it goes through whatever process, and the result comes back positive. But where along this path is it determined that your Covid is a mutated strain and not the original? Is there someone in each lab that, I dunno, looks at some samples under a microscope and sees something different?
And it's driving me crazy: is it HIPPA, HIIPA, or HIPA.
I could look it up, but there are health care professionals in the building, so I know a quick answer could be had, to help us all. Or, Ax can tell, betcha.