HIPAA
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Googling around, it seems that HIIPA only applies to "Healthcare Organizations." So, if a private business asks, it's not a violation of the law.
But, as @jolly basically says, is it a violation of the spirit of the law? Who should have access to your health data, the guy whom (ahem) you want to bake a cake for you?
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is it a violation of the spirit of the law? Who should have access to your health data
Is it HIPAA’s spirit to extend a pandemic? If it is not, that it’s pretty easy to argue that a measure to counter a pandemic does not violate the spirit of the law.
Take the measurements of body temperatures (e.g., forehead temperature scans) that many businesses implement before letting some one into the business premise. Is body temperature temperature “Heath data”? Yes. But you don’t see people bring out HIPAA to say you cannot scan body temperatures.
Want to donate blood at the Red Cross? You go through lengthy list of screening questions that gets you to divulge all sorts of “health data” before you are allowed to donate. Again, no one brings up HIIPA and say the Red Cross cannot ask prospective blood donors these screening questions.
Why bring up HIPAA today with regards to COVID-19 vaccination? Not because of any principled stance or any sincere desire to protect patient privacy, but because stupid COVID deniers and stupid anti-vaxxers and stupid/immoral political opportunists (who are usually also Trump-leaning) want to keep denying that COVID-19 is real and avoid taking personal responsibility to not be a COVID-19 vector.
Do businesses ask prospective customers/patrons whether they have been vaccinated against other communicable diseases that, in the last, also caused pandemics? (E.g., small pox, rubella, measles, etc.). Not these days, because enough of the population have already been vaccinated against these once-pandemic diseases that at present time the risk of admitting unvaccinated customers/patrons is quite small. But not so with COVID-19 today. Why, because the aforementioned ”stupid COVID deniers and stupid anti-vaxxers and stupid/immoral political opportunists (who are usually also Trump-leaning) want to keep denying that COVID-19 is real and avoid taking personal responsibility to not be a COVID-19 vector” are standing in the way of is getting there. Don’t let them.
Whatever your personal feelings towards HIPAA is, it’s not worth becoming strange bedfellows with the aforementioned ”stupid COVID deniers and stupid anti-vaxxers and stupid/immoral political opportunists (who are usually also Trump-leaning) want to keep denying that COVID-19 is real and avoid taking personal responsibility to not be a COVID-19 vector” just to flip a proverbial finger at HIPAA, however temporarily,
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Who is right
The folks who say one should get vaccinated as long as one is eligible.
So, suppose you're not eligible, because of health/allergy/whatever issues. Should you be denied service at whatever institution?
At this point, yes, institutions and business operators should absolutely have the right to refuse service to the unvaccinated. Why? Because we haven’t achieve herd immunity. Herd immunity is the thing that protects the ones who may never be eligible for the vaccine. Without herd immunity, the risk to the unvaccinated is high.
Who are the ones stopping us from achieving herd immunity? The aforementioned ”stupid COVID deniers and stupid anti-vaxxers and stupid/immoral political opportunists (who are usually also Trump-leaning) want to keep denying that COVID-19 is real and avoid taking personal responsibility to not be a COVID-19 vector”. They are preventing lives for the ones who are not vaccine eligible from getting better.
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At this point, yes, institutions and business operators should absolutely have the right to refuse service to the unvaccinated. Why? Because we haven’t achieve herd immunity.
Lad, we are never going to have herd immunity. Right now, it is becoming increasingly clear that breakthrough infections are real. Granted, moreso with the A-Z vaccine than with others, but real, nonetheless.
And this is with the same strain, not the new variants or variants that will arise in the future. Right now, we are having trouble getting most people vaccinated. How successful do you think we'll be in getting all those people to take a yearly, statistically calculated booster?
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@jolly, “breakthrough infection” is fine as long as it doesn’t get people killed, hospitalized, or leave people with severe long-term health issues. And the vaccines have so far been shown to be very effective at preventing death, hospitalization, and even symptoms. Even then, “breakthrough infection” among the vaccinated against COVID-19 is down in the 0.01% range. That’s not the sort of order of magnitude that would stand in the way or herd immunity, it’s something like three orders of magnitude away from that.
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Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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Actually, this is pretty good stuff.
At what point does society's need to know, outweigh patient privacy? I've been beat over the head with HIIPA for decades...God help you if you gave out any PHI.
Now, many are calling for vaccine screening before you attend a ballgame or fly on an airplane.
Who is right and who is wrong?
Jesus. The objective was to make sure your health issues couldn’t be used against you. A vaccine isnt even close to that. I hate these stupid conversations.
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An airplane ride with terrorists is probably more likely to kill you than an airplane ride with covid.
We probably should get rid of the masks now. I do think if you have an insurance and you elect not to take the free vaccine you ought to have a heavy co pay at least if you get covid and need treatment. Why should I have to have my insurance rates jacked to pay for these freeloaders?
