China's emissions

[George K]

https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-nations-125137751.html

China's emissions surpass all developed nations combined

The distribution of global greenhouse gas emissions has reached an inflection point: China's emissions exceeded developed nations combined in 2019, a new Rhodium Group analysis concludes.

[Mik]

Hence the futility of the Paris Accords

[Loki]

I agree but answer this question:

So you are a developed country based on carbon and now you are telling me I can’t do the same? How dare you prevent my growth.

[Axtremus]

Total OECD population: 1.36 Billion
China‘s population: 1.44 Billion

On a per capita basis, China is merely catching up to OECD level.

[Copper]

The Paris Accords aren't about carbon

As ax advocates

Redistribution of wealth is the purpose

[Loki]

@axtremus said in China's emissions:

Total OECD population: 1.36 Billion
China‘s population: 1.44 Billion

On a per capita basis, China is merely catching up to OECD level.

They are so close to asking us to bow to them and yet everyone is still a sucker for poor little me, I need help.

[Axtremus]

@loki said in China's emissions:

They are so close to asking us to bow to them and yet everyone is still a sucker for poor little me, I need help.

Take in a bit of a historical view and you'd see that we, the typical OECD nationals, are quite far ahead in terms of our cummulative emissions compared to the typical Chinese's:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-06/china-s-emissions-now-exceed-all-the-developed-world-s-combined

You can also try to imagine moving all the manufacturing that the OECD countries have outsourced to China back into OECD territories and see how that might change emissions.

[Doctor Phibes]

We seemed to have moved on from 'Global warming is completely made up' to 'It's all China's fault and we're doing fucking nothing!'

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

We seemed to have moved on from 'Global warming is completely made up' to 'It's all China's fault and we're doing fucking nothing!'

No that's just today. We'll be back at it tomorrow.

[Horace]

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

We seemed to have moved on from 'Global warming is completely made up' to 'It's all China's fault and we're doing fucking nothing!'

That the rest of the world is putting money where their mouths are regarding reducing emissions is simple fact, regardless of the truth of global warming.

[Doctor Phibes]

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

We seemed to have moved on from 'Global warming is completely made up' to 'It's all China's fault and we're doing fucking nothing!'

That the rest of the world is putting money where their mouths are regarding reducing emissions is simple fact, regardless of the truth of global warming.

My point was that opponents of global warming in the US can't seem to get their stories straight. It's a little reminiscent of some of the anti-Covid arguments, where people flit from 'it's totally over-hyped' to 'masks don't help', to 'masks are tyranny' to 'masks are more harmful to your health than Covid', to 'the vaccinations are tyranny' to 'they haven't been tested' to a myriad of other stupid reasons to do absolutely nothing about what can really only be described as a big freaking crisis.

It's so blindingly obvious that there's something else at play when people do this.

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything' would rather imply that the main point is that people don't want to do anything, regardless of whether global warming is a thing, and by morphing around like this, they're exhibiting intellectual dishonesty. Stick to the point, or at least be honest about the motivation.

[Horace]

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything'

I thought the point was to establish that China should be doing something, along with the rest of the world, and it's wrong and unfair that they're not.

[Doctor Phibes]

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything'

I thought the point was to establish that China should be doing something, along with the rest of the world, and it's wrong and unfair that they're not.

Clearly China should be doing something, and it's wrong that they're not. But if global warming isn't real, complaining about China not doing anything seems like a waste of bandwidth.

[Loki]

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

We seemed to have moved on from 'Global warming is completely made up' to 'It's all China's fault and we're doing fucking nothing!'

That the rest of the world is putting money where their mouths are regarding reducing emissions is simple fact, regardless of the truth of global warming.

My point was that opponents of global warming in the US can't seem to get their stories straight. It's a little reminiscent of some of the anti-Covid arguments, where people flit from 'it's totally over-hyped' to 'masks don't help', to 'masks are tyranny' to 'masks are more harmful to your health than Covid', to 'the vaccinations are tyranny' to 'they haven't been tested' to a myriad of other stupid reasons to do absolutely nothing about what can really only be described as a big freaking crisis.

It's so blindingly obvious that there's something else at play when people do this.

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything' would rather imply that the main point is that people don't want to do anything, regardless of whether global warming is a thing, and by morphing around like this, they're exhibiting intellectual dishonesty. Stick to the point, or at least be honest about the motivation.

If the alternative is being an apologist for China it’s a matter of foreign and economic policy. How is that for motivation?

[Horace]

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything'

I thought the point was to establish that China should be doing something, along with the rest of the world, and it's wrong and unfair that they're not.

Clearly China should be doing something, and it's wrong that they're not. But if global warming isn't real, complaining about China not doing anything seems like a waste of bandwidth.

There's an economic competition aspect too.

[Doctor Phibes]

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything'

I thought the point was to establish that China should be doing something, along with the rest of the world, and it's wrong and unfair that they're not.

Clearly China should be doing something, and it's wrong that they're not. But if global warming isn't real, complaining about China not doing anything seems like a waste of bandwidth.

There's an economic competition aspect too.

Right, so take the fight to China to force them to do the right thing, don't use it as an excuse to do nothing. If global warming is a thing, and China does nothing, the US doing nothing still makes it worse.

[Loki]

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything'

I thought the point was to establish that China should be doing something, along with the rest of the world, and it's wrong and unfair that they're not.

Clearly China should be doing something, and it's wrong that they're not. But if global warming isn't real, complaining about China not doing anything seems like a waste of bandwidth.

There's an economic competition aspect too.

Right, so take the fight to China to force them to do the right thing, don't use it as an excuse to do nothing. If global warming is a thing, and China does nothing, the US doing nothing still makes it worse.

A country that severely limits the internet, scores people digitally to ideological purity, is the picture of 21st century slavery and is now launching throughout the world…. You are a decade too late and every global warming convo gets an Ax slide as to why we are the bad guys.

I dunno which is worse, more global warming or a dominant China with few freedoms. Actually I do.

[Horace]

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything'

I thought the point was to establish that China should be doing something, along with the rest of the world, and it's wrong and unfair that they're not.

Clearly China should be doing something, and it's wrong that they're not. But if global warming isn't real, complaining about China not doing anything seems like a waste of bandwidth.

There's an economic competition aspect too.

Right, so take the fight to China to force them to do the right thing, don't use it as an excuse to do nothing. If global warming is a thing, and China does nothing, the US doing nothing still makes it worse.

Maybe if I hear "Yeah but China is doing nothing", I assume the person wants China to do something, while you assume the person wants their own country to do nothing.

[Doctor Phibes]

@loki said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

@horace said in China's emissions:

@doctor-phibes said in China's emissions:

Moving from 'We don't need to do anything because global warming is fictional' to 'We don't need to do anything because China isn't doing anything'

I thought the point was to establish that China should be doing something, along with the rest of the world, and it's wrong and unfair that they're not.

Clearly China should be doing something, and it's wrong that they're not. But if global warming isn't real, complaining about China not doing anything seems like a waste of bandwidth.

There's an economic competition aspect too.

Right, so take the fight to China to force them to do the right thing, don't use it as an excuse to do nothing. If global warming is a thing, and China does nothing, the US doing nothing still makes it worse.

A country that severely limits the internet, scores people digitally to ideological purity, is the picture of 21st century slavery and is now launching throughout the world…. You are a decade too late and every global warming convo gets an Ax slide as to why we are the bad guys.

I dunno which is worse, more global warming or a dominant China with few freedoms. Actually I do.

You won't get any argument from me regarding how awful China is, although I've had people tell me I'm being overly-western-centric in pointing this out.

I'll say it again, some people in the US seem to be looking for excuses to do nothing.

[Doctor Phibes]

@horace said in China's emissions:

Maybe if I hear "Yeah but China is doing nothing", I assume the person wants China to do something, while you assume the person wants their own country to do nothing.

When the same person has said 'Global warming isn't real', it's not difficult to connect the dots.

American conservatives in general have a high tendency towards climate change denial.