But can the Millennials afford it?
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 14:11 last edited by
Listening to millennials complain about house prices is nowhere near as annoying as listening to middle-aged Gen-x'ers complain about the tax they have to pay on their company cars.
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Listening to millennials complain about house prices is nowhere near as annoying as listening to middle-aged Gen-x'ers complain about the tax they have to pay on their company cars.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 14:27 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
middle-aged Gen-x'ers
I can't believe or understand how incredibly, amazingly, astonishingly redundant and repetitive and unnecessarily wordy that is.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 14:29 last edited by
2 years ago I moved from Northern VA to Southern VA
Half the price for a nice house and no traffic
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Listening to millennials complain about house prices is nowhere near as annoying as listening to middle-aged Gen-x'ers complain about the tax they have to pay on their company cars.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 14:37 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
Listening to millennials complain about house prices is nowhere near as annoying as listening to middle-aged Gen-x'ers complain about the tax they have to pay on their company cars.
I didn't know you had a company car.
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Consider the couple...A postman married to a schoolteacher and they have two children. They have a credit score of around 700. A new home is 300-350 thousand dollars.
To get around PMI, they need $60-70k down payment.
And they need to be able to pay a $1200-$1300 monthly note + insurance + maintenance.
How can a couple like this ever own a home? Or any of many similar couples like cop/pharm tech, construction worker/waitress, teacher/teacher...guys that are making anywhere from $75k-$90k/yr.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 14:46 last edited by@jolly said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
How can a couple like this ever own a home? Or any of many similar couples like cop/pharm tech, construction worker/waitress, teacher/teacher...guys that are making anywhere from $75k-$90k/yr.
You mean household income of 75-90K$, right? If each of them makes that amount of $, that's would be way above average, no?
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I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 14:59 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
Don't think anything in this thread even hints at that.
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@jolly said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
How can a couple like this ever own a home? Or any of many similar couples like cop/pharm tech, construction worker/waitress, teacher/teacher...guys that are making anywhere from $75k-$90k/yr.
You mean household income of 75-90K$, right? If each of them makes that amount of $, that's would be way above average, no?
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 15:02 last edited by@klaus said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@jolly said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
How can a couple like this ever own a home? Or any of many similar couples like cop/pharm tech, construction worker/waitress, teacher/teacher...guys that are making anywhere from $75k-$90k/yr.
You mean household income of 75-90K$, right? If each of them makes that amount of $, that's would be way above average, no?
Household income. A young postman and a teacher or teacher/teacher down here would make around $80k-ish, together.
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I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 15:14 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
I mostly remember Occupy being primarily about dudes being upset because they were $150K in debt for erring a Masters Degree in Puppetry and Marionettes and were only able to get jobs as Elementary School Teachers making $45K a year living in NYC with a rent of $2500.
That and drum circles.
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@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
I mostly remember Occupy being primarily about dudes being upset because they were $150K in debt for erring a Masters Degree in Puppetry and Marionettes and were only able to get jobs as Elementary School Teachers making $45K a year living in NYC with a rent of $2500.
That and drum circles.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 16:22 last edited by Aqua Letifer@lufins-dad said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
I mostly remember Occupy being primarily about dudes being upset because they were $150K in debt for erring a Masters Degree in Puppetry and Marionettes and were only able to get jobs as Elementary School Teachers making $45K a year living in NYC with a rent of $2500.
That and drum circles.
You don't remember that because you believed what you wanted without actually listening to any of them. I found most of their shit completely ridiculous, but I spent a lot of time listening anyway. That's why I'm able to tell you that a shitload of Occupy folks complained about housing prices being not only out of their reach, but perhaps forever so. Those complaints went on for months. You don't remember because Not My Side = they're everything I think they are and I have their number.
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@doctor-phibes said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
middle-aged Gen-x'ers
I can't believe or understand how incredibly, amazingly, astonishingly redundant and repetitive and unnecessarily wordy that is.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 16:29 last edited by Doctor Phibes@horace said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@doctor-phibes said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
middle-aged Gen-x'ers
I can't believe or understand how incredibly, amazingly, astonishingly redundant and repetitive and unnecessarily wordy that is.
And you used 17 words to set me straight about my 4. Well done, H. It's almost as if you wanted to waste bandwidth, create unnecessary wordage, and simulate substance where there is none.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 16:57 last edited by
There was an old rule. It was a rule Karla and I followed when we bought our current house and it works in most areas of the country (or it did pre-Covid, now? Who knows...)
The rule was 2.5. Your house should cost about 2.5 times your annual income. And in most of the country that still worked a few years ago.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 17:06 last edited by
The 2.5 rule is pretty much impossible to follow in most of Massachusetts, at least when you're starting out. I followed it for our first two houses (UK and Canada), but not the third one, which is actually the smallest of the three.
Bloody New England.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 18:10 last edited by
@doctor-phibes said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
The 2.5 rule is pretty much impossible to follow in most of Massachusetts, at least when you're starting out. I followed it for our first two houses (UK and Canada), but not the third one, which is actually the smallest of the three.
Bloody New England.
Median income in Massachusetts is $80K. So $200K homes.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/79-Hope-St-Greenfield-MA-01301/56135299_zpid/
I found about 15 similar around the state. If you bump it up to 3 - 3.5% the options open up quite a bit more.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 18:18 last edited by Doctor Phibes
Well, there's Massachusetts and there's Massachusetts.
I should have stipulated that I'm not interested in driving 2 hours to work, or living in a shit-hole.
And I said 'When you're starting out'. The median salary is not the average for people who are starting out.
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@lufins-dad said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
I mostly remember Occupy being primarily about dudes being upset because they were $150K in debt for erring a Masters Degree in Puppetry and Marionettes and were only able to get jobs as Elementary School Teachers making $45K a year living in NYC with a rent of $2500.
That and drum circles.
You don't remember that because you believed what you wanted without actually listening to any of them. I found most of their shit completely ridiculous, but I spent a lot of time listening anyway. That's why I'm able to tell you that a shitload of Occupy folks complained about housing prices being not only out of their reach, but perhaps forever so. Those complaints went on for months. You don't remember because Not My Side = they're everything I think they are and I have their number.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 18:37 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@lufins-dad said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
I mostly remember Occupy being primarily about dudes being upset because they were $150K in debt for erring a Masters Degree in Puppetry and Marionettes and were only able to get jobs as Elementary School Teachers making $45K a year living in NYC with a rent of $2500.
That and drum circles.
You don't remember that because you believed what you wanted without actually listening to any of them. I found most of their shit completely ridiculous, but I spent a lot of time listening anyway. That's why I'm able to tell you that a shitload of Occupy folks complained about housing prices being not only out of their reach, but perhaps forever so. Those complaints went on for months. You don't remember because Not My Side = they're everything I think they are and I have their number.
Well, they were good at building tent cities, so maybe they can try their hand at other forms of construction.
If you want sympathy for Occupy, look in the dictionary between shit and syphillis and you'll find the word.
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Well, there's Massachusetts and there's Massachusetts.
I should have stipulated that I'm not interested in driving 2 hours to work, or living in a shit-hole.
And I said 'When you're starting out'. The median salary is not the average for people who are starting out.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 19:32 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
Well, there's Massachusetts and there's Massachusetts.
I should have stipulated that I'm not interested in driving 2 hours to work, or living in a shit-hole.
And I said 'When you're starting out'. The median salary is not the average for people who are starting out.
Starting out? Oh. Okay. How about Providence? Not Massachusetts, but you only said New England and it is 30 minutes out of Foxborough. This would be a fantastic choice for a young person or even couple just starting out.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/19-Stone-St-SUITE-4-Providence-RI-02904/2071546479_zpid/
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@klaus said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@jolly said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
How can a couple like this ever own a home? Or any of many similar couples like cop/pharm tech, construction worker/waitress, teacher/teacher...guys that are making anywhere from $75k-$90k/yr.
You mean household income of 75-90K$, right? If each of them makes that amount of $, that's would be way above average, no?
Household income. A young postman and a teacher or teacher/teacher down here would make around $80k-ish, together.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 19:34 last edited by@jolly said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@klaus said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@jolly said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
How can a couple like this ever own a home? Or any of many similar couples like cop/pharm tech, construction worker/waitress, teacher/teacher...guys that are making anywhere from $75k-$90k/yr.
You mean household income of 75-90K$, right? If each of them makes that amount of $, that's would be way above average, no?
Household income. A young postman and a teacher or teacher/teacher down here would make around $80k-ish, together.
How much of that would need to be deducted for taxes? How much of that would they typically need to pay for health and pension insurance?
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 19:34 last edited by Mik
We bought at about 1.25 times our annual income. It worked out really well. I insisted on a house we could afford on one income.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 19:40 last edited by
We have decided that we are never moving from here. When a new 2,000 sqft standard construction cost house located on a postage stamp size lot, costs $400k, I cringe.
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@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@lufins-dad said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
I mostly remember Occupy being primarily about dudes being upset because they were $150K in debt for erring a Masters Degree in Puppetry and Marionettes and were only able to get jobs as Elementary School Teachers making $45K a year living in NYC with a rent of $2500.
That and drum circles.
You don't remember that because you believed what you wanted without actually listening to any of them. I found most of their shit completely ridiculous, but I spent a lot of time listening anyway. That's why I'm able to tell you that a shitload of Occupy folks complained about housing prices being not only out of their reach, but perhaps forever so. Those complaints went on for months. You don't remember because Not My Side = they're everything I think they are and I have their number.
Well, they were good at building tent cities, so maybe they can try their hand at other forms of construction.
If you want sympathy for Occupy, look in the dictionary between shit and syphillis and you'll find the word.
wrote on 27 Apr 2021, 20:02 last edited by@jolly said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@lufins-dad said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
@aqua-letifer said in But can the Millennials afford it?:
I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to make fun of Millennials for whining about housing prices, because that's something they whined about during the Occupy Wall Street B.S.? We're not expected to take anything that came out of that seriously, are we? We're supposed to just say it's their fault and bring up participation trophies, right?
I mostly remember Occupy being primarily about dudes being upset because they were $150K in debt for erring a Masters Degree in Puppetry and Marionettes and were only able to get jobs as Elementary School Teachers making $45K a year living in NYC with a rent of $2500.
That and drum circles.
You don't remember that because you believed what you wanted without actually listening to any of them. I found most of their shit completely ridiculous, but I spent a lot of time listening anyway. That's why I'm able to tell you that a shitload of Occupy folks complained about housing prices being not only out of their reach, but perhaps forever so. Those complaints went on for months. You don't remember because Not My Side = they're everything I think they are and I have their number.
Well, they were good at building tent cities, so maybe they can try their hand at other forms of construction.
If you want sympathy for Occupy, look in the dictionary between shit and syphillis and you'll find the word.
The point, which you missed, is that they brought this very problem up years ago, but you didn't seem to take it seriously because of the source of the complaint. But looking at it from an angle conservatives can sympathize with, all of a sudden it's, well, shit, look what happened.
As for sympathy for Occupy, I just said, in a couple posts above this one, that I think they're ridiculous. What I said then, and what I'm trying to reiterate here, is that at the time, they were indeed complaining about real problems. That's separate from having legitimate gripes, which largely they didn't have.
