It's all about the narrative.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 11:33 last edited by
Will the NYT apologize?
https://nypost.com/2021/04/22/will-the-times-apologize-for-lying-about-officer-sicknicks-death/
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wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 11:50 last edited by
Will MSNBC apologize for having Adam "I have evidence" Schiff on?
Will NBC apologize for editing out the knife in the Columbus shooting?
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wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 11:51 last edited by
No.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 11:53 last edited by
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
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Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 12:52 last edited by@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
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@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 12:58 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
Do the journalists in the echo chamber know what they're doing? Do they know it's all narrative and zero critical thinking?
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@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
Do the journalists in the echo chamber know what they're doing? Do they know it's all narrative and zero critical thinking?
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 13:18 last edited by@horace said in It's all about the narrative.:
@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
Do the journalists in the echo chamber know what they're doing? Do they know it's all narrative and zero critical thinking?
I realize these are seriously broad brushstrokes, but hey, let's have fun. If I had to group them into categories, there are basically two types:
- Has-beens. They went to j-school and understand the principles of serving the public interest, independent confirmation, etc. But they don't care about impartiality because, come on, the other side is so obviously evil and must be stopped. Preventing white male atrocities, that's what serves the public interest. They honestly believe that's what they're doing.
- Young kids who had a shit education that covered IG hashtags more than the importance of getting a source to feel protected enough to go on record. They don't know any better, want to be internet famous, and see "journalism" as their way to do that.
Not everyone's like that. Believe it or not there are still folks out there working for liberal news outlets who are still trying to do a good job. Not everyone at NYT is a shill.
But yeah it's pretty bad.
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@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 15:39 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
You think it's dying, or it's just an implosion and rebirth of something better?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 16:13 last edited by xenon
Tough to say - the big papers are social institutions, but also businesses. I think they're following the money right now.
There's good money in being woke. I re-subbed to the New Yorker after several years (I read as a college student). Waaaaay to woke for my tastes, so quickly cancelled - but I think that's squarely their demo.
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@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
You think it's dying, or it's just an implosion and rebirth of something better?
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 16:34 last edited by Aqua Letifer@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
You think it's dying, or it's just an implosion and rebirth of something better?
Oh no, it's dying. And it's going to be a very long, bumpy road.
Tyrannical monarchies gave way to democratic republics because enough people wanted that to happen. It was time to make the change.
Old media distribution methods were a kind of commercial monarchy, in their way. And much like governmental monarchies, many of them at least had something close to an ethic, because of the responsibility involved with having that much influence. You couldn't do just anything, you needed at least some stability.
Those commercial monarchies gave way to the internet, not because we demanded it, but because technology made it possible. We're way too immature to understand what a massive shift that was. The internet isn't a hard-fought-for democracy, it's the Wild West. There are gangs and hostile natives everywhere, and influence is the only firepower that matters. The media companies of old are leaning as much into that as they can, because that's exactly how it works. And no one's aware that the town is burning because the gangs, natives and townsfolk are focused on whatever skirmishes are going on by our front door.
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@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
You think it's dying, or it's just an implosion and rebirth of something better?
Oh no, it's dying. And it's going to be a very long, bumpy road.
Tyrannical monarchies gave way to democratic republics because enough people wanted that to happen. It was time to make the change.
Old media distribution methods were a kind of commercial monarchy, in their way. And much like governmental monarchies, many of them at least had something close to an ethic, because of the responsibility involved with having that much influence. You couldn't do just anything, you needed at least some stability.
Those commercial monarchies gave way to the internet, not because we demanded it, but because technology made it possible. We're way too immature to understand what a massive shift that was. The internet isn't a hard-fought-for democracy, it's the Wild West. There are gangs and hostile natives everywhere, and influence is the only firepower that matters. The media companies of old are leaning as much into that as they can, because that's exactly how it works. And no one's aware that the town is burning because the gangs, natives and townsfolk are focused on whatever skirmishes are going on by our front door.
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 16:38 last edited by xenon@aqua-letifer I completely agree. When I see complaints against social media companies that they're showing bias or inconsistency - my reaction is "sure, but that's such an small symptom relative to what's happening here"
I like the analogy of roving tribes, Aqua. The crazy part is that the realm of the internet doesn't need to respect any of the boundaries of geography, nations, etc. It's literally a whole new world.
Look how fast Trump was able to upend the established order. Forget the fact that you agreed with him. That sort of disruptive energy can very easily be harnessed for things you don't agree with tomorrow.
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@aqua-letifer I completely agree. When I see complaints against social media companies that they're showing bias or inconsistency - my reaction is "sure, but that's such an small symptom relative to what's happening here"
I like the analogy of roving tribes, Aqua. The crazy part is that the realm of the internet doesn't need to respect any of the boundaries of geography, nations, etc. It's literally a whole new world.
Look how fast Trump was able to upend the established order. Forget the fact that you agreed with him. That sort of disruptive energy can very easily be harnessed for things you don't agree with tomorrow.
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 16:45 last edited by@xenon said in It's all about the narrative.:
Look how fast Trump was able to upend the established order. Forget the fact that you agreed with him. That sort of disruptive energy can very easily be harnessed for things you don't agree with tomorrow.
Absolutely. That's Trump's biggest asset in my opinion: his EQ. He absolutely knows how to influence things, especially on social platforms.
And social influence is a very troublesome thing, right? Not only do you receive less data online than in-person, which makes it easier to create a false impression, but you can also reach the whole world. Add to that the fact that popularity and influence create a positive feedback loop on every social platform there is, and you're creating a pretty dangerous environment.
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@aqua-letifer said in It's all about the narrative.:
@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
Going back to the thread starter...With the advent of no true journalists working for most of the MSM and the fact that many budgets were cut for original reporting, the NYT and WaPo have become their news departments.
It's just an echo chamber.
It's the death of an industry. That's really what we're watching. The insane partisanship, fearmongering and propaganda are just a consequence of the death spiral.
You think it's dying, or it's just an implosion and rebirth of something better?
wrote on 23 Apr 2021, 17:39 last edited by Doctor Phibes@jolly said in It's all about the narrative.:
rebirth of something better?
Have you got any examples of something better that is actually succeeding?
