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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

    @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

    Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

    Yep.

    A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

    On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

    Execution ain't murder.

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on last edited by
    #28

    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

    @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

    @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

    Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

    Yep.

    A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

    On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

    Execution ain't murder.

    What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

    I was only joking

    JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
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      Copper
      wrote on last edited by
      #29

      What would you call the killing of an innocent by the murderer that wasn't executed?

      A price worth paying to achieve woke?

      What would you call the killing of an innocent by the murderer that wasn't discouraged by possible execution?

      A price worth paying to achieve woke?

      OK, that's reasonable.

      I tend to favor the innocent over the murderer, but to each his own.

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      • CopperC Copper

        What would you call the killing of an innocent by the murderer that wasn't executed?

        A price worth paying to achieve woke?

        What would you call the killing of an innocent by the murderer that wasn't discouraged by possible execution?

        A price worth paying to achieve woke?

        OK, that's reasonable.

        I tend to favor the innocent over the murderer, but to each his own.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #30

        @copper said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

        I tend to favor the innocent over the murderer, but to each his own.

        Except when they've been wrongfully convicted, it would appear.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @copper said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

          I tend to favor the innocent over the murderer, but to each his own.

          Except when they've been wrongfully convicted, it would appear.

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on last edited by
          #31

          @Copper Dude why even reply, it's obvious you're not trying to understand anybody. Jolly will at least try to interpret posts he disagrees with.

          Please love yourself.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

            Yep.

            A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

            On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

            Execution ain't murder.

            What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

            JollyJ Offline
            JollyJ Offline
            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by Jolly
            #32

            @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

            Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

            Yep.

            A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

            On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

            Execution ain't murder.

            What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

            Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

            We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

            β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

            Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @Copper Dude why even reply, it's obvious you're not trying to understand anybody. Jolly will at least try to interpret posts he disagrees with.

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              wrote on last edited by
              #33

              @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

              @Copper Dude why even reply, it's obvious you're not trying to understand anybody. Jolly will at least try to interpret posts he disagrees with.

              I understand exactly

              You refuse to consider the whole story, I'm helping you do that

              The wrongfully convicted are a sad consequence of imperfection

              But that is not the whole story

              Stomp your feet if you like, I'll still be here to help

              RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
              • JollyJ Jolly

                @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                Yep.

                A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                Execution ain't murder.

                What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #34

                @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                Yep.

                A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                Execution ain't murder.

                What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                I was only joking

                JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                  Yep.

                  A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                  On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                  Execution ain't murder.

                  What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                  Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                  We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                  It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                  An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                  At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                  JollyJ Offline
                  JollyJ Offline
                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #35

                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                  Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                  Yep.

                  A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                  On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                  Execution ain't murder.

                  What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                  Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                  We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                  It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                  An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                  At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                  Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

                  β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                  • CopperC Copper

                    @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                    @Copper Dude why even reply, it's obvious you're not trying to understand anybody. Jolly will at least try to interpret posts he disagrees with.

                    I understand exactly

                    You refuse to consider the whole story, I'm helping you do that

                    The wrongfully convicted are a sad consequence of imperfection

                    But that is not the whole story

                    Stomp your feet if you like, I'll still be here to help

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                    Renauda
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                    #36

                    @copper said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                    @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                    @Copper Dude why even reply, it's obvious you're not trying to understand anybody. Jolly will at least try to interpret posts he disagrees with.

                    I understand exactly....

                    The wrongfully convicted are a sad consequence of imperfection

                    Well at least that is sorted out. Which ever poison works best for you. You're probably right either way. Time to round up the usual suspects, eh?

                    Elbows up!

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                      Yep.

                      A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                      On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                      Execution ain't murder.

                      What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                      Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                      We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                      It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                      An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                      At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                      Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                      #37

                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                      Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                      Yep.

                      A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                      On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                      Execution ain't murder.

                      What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                      Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                      We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                      It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                      An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                      At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                      Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

                      So maybe only execute religious people?

                      If I was going to be executed for a crime I hadn't committed, I would find the idea that it was all OK because of somebody else's religious beliefs to be extremely tiresome.

                      I was only joking

                      JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #38

                        Oh look a crack in the judicial system! Get out the bucket of God spackle and fill it with merciful theodicy. That'll surely make it good and bring comfort to all.

                        To me the invocation of divine justice just seems like a cop out or lame excuse not to make the judicial system less imperfect than it already is.

                        Elbows up!

                        JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                          Yep.

                          A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                          On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                          Execution ain't murder.

                          What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                          Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                          We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                          It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                          An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                          At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                          Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

                          So maybe only execute religious people?

                          If I was going to be executed for a crime I hadn't committed, I would find the idea that it was all OK because of somebody else's religious beliefs to be extremely tiresome.

                          JollyJ Offline
                          JollyJ Offline
                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #39

                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                          Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                          Yep.

                          A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                          On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                          Execution ain't murder.

                          What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                          Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                          We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                          It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                          An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                          At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                          Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

                          So maybe only execute religious people?

                          If I was going to be executed for a crime I hadn't committed, I would find the idea that it was all OK because of somebody else's religious beliefs to be extremely tiresome.

                          I suspect most people before execution become quite religious.😊

                          β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            Oh look a crack in the judicial system! Get out the bucket of God spackle and fill it with merciful theodicy. That'll surely make it good and bring comfort to all.

                            To me the invocation of divine justice just seems like a cop out or lame excuse not to make the judicial system less imperfect than it already is.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #40

                            @renauda said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                            Oh look a crack in the judicial system! Get out the bucket of God spackle and fill it with merciful theodicy. That'll surely make it good and bring comfort to all.

                            To me the invocation of divine justice just seems like a cop out or lame excuse not to make the judicial system less imperfect than it already is.

                            That opinion and $1 (American) will buy you a senior coffee at McDonald's.😊

                            β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by Jolly
                              #41

                              Lastly...If I gave y'all $70 every day, to spend on anything you wished for any poor family you deemed deserving, what would you buy them?

                              β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Lastly...If I gave y'all $70 every day, to spend on anything you wished for any poor family you deemed deserving, what would you buy them?

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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #42

                                @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                Lastly...If I gave y'all $70 every day, to spend on anything you wished for any poor family you deemed deserving, what would you buy them?

                                Ammo

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                                  Yep.

                                  A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                                  On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                                  Execution ain't murder.

                                  What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                                  Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                                  We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                                  It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                                  An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                                  At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                                  Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

                                  So maybe only execute religious people?

                                  If I was going to be executed for a crime I hadn't committed, I would find the idea that it was all OK because of somebody else's religious beliefs to be extremely tiresome.

                                  I suspect most people before execution become quite religious.😊

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #43

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                  Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                                  Yep.

                                  A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                                  On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                                  Execution ain't murder.

                                  What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                                  Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                                  We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                                  It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                                  An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                                  At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                                  Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

                                  So maybe only execute religious people?

                                  If I was going to be executed for a crime I hadn't committed, I would find the idea that it was all OK because of somebody else's religious beliefs to be extremely tiresome.

                                  I suspect most people before execution become quite religious.😊

                                  Using Jesus as an excuse for killing innocent people mostly died out in the middle ages.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    Is there any evidence that having the death penalty reduces the murder rate?

                                    Yep.

                                    A dead person never killed anybody.πŸ˜„

                                    On the other hand, it kind of increases the murder rate by definition.

                                    Execution ain't murder.

                                    What would you call the killing of an innocent human being? A price worth paying to achieve some undefined and unspecified benefit?

                                    Justice. Sadly, it's imperfect, because man is imperfect. There will always be somebody wrongly convicted. Or wrongly executed.

                                    We do the best we can on this mortal coil and let God take care of the soul.

                                    It's not justice, thought. It's a grave injustice.

                                    An Englishman once said that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer, a sentiment that was repeated by your Mr. Franklin.

                                    At least with wrongful imprisonment, the wrong has a chance of being righted.

                                    Only if you look at it as nothing past the grave. Man has imperfect justice, but God's Justice is perfect. He shall know his own, and any errors in this world will be corrected in the next.

                                    So maybe only execute religious people?

                                    If I was going to be executed for a crime I hadn't committed, I would find the idea that it was all OK because of somebody else's religious beliefs to be extremely tiresome.

                                    I suspect most people before execution become quite religious.😊

                                    Using Jesus as an excuse for killing innocent people mostly died out in the middle ages.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
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                                    #44

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                    Using Jesus as an excuse for killing innocent people mostly died out in the middle ages.

                                    The argument that Jesus would emphatically endorse killing innocent people is hilariously dense. You can't reach the bottom of stupid that runs that deep.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                      Using Jesus as an excuse for killing innocent people mostly died out in the middle ages.

                                      The argument that Jesus would emphatically endorse killing innocent people is hilariously dense. You can't reach the bottom of stupid that runs that deep.

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                                      @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                      @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                      Using Jesus as an excuse for killing innocent people mostly died out in the middle ages.

                                      The argument that Jesus would emphatically endorse killing innocent people is hilariously dense. You can't reach the bottom of stupid that runs that deep.

                                      No, but Jesus had no problem executing guilty people. And he'll have no problem throwing folks into the depths of Hell after the White Throne Judgement, will he?

                                      If you'd like to argue either of those points, back your point up with scripture.

                                      Now, back to your original, silly statement. Jesus does have a problem with executing innocent people, but Jesus doesn't sit as the judge in the courtroom (not that I've seen or heard about) and Jesus doesn't sit in the jury box.

                                      Men do.

                                      Imperfect men, trying to create as much order out of chaos as they can, equitably and fairly. Does the system always work? No. Man is not a perfect being, so perfection is an unobtainable standard. But that does not mean we throw our hands up, don our antifa shirts and descend into anarchy? No, it does not.

                                      We do the best we can, given all the politics, quirks and foibles of mankind. Guess what? In a good system, man gets it right most of the time. According to you, in capital cases, man is 96% right. I think we can tweek that, primarily through better legal representation, and probably get it to about 98%-99% right.

                                      But you are still going to point to that one man out of a hundred. I'm going to point to the 99 who were rightly convicted. Those 99 person are costing me in excess of $2.5M/yr of incarceration.

                                      I'd rather do two things:

                                      1. Ensure justice is meted out equitable and fairly.
                                      2. Use my $2.5M for something better than housing rapists, murderers and people who douse other people in acid.

                                      β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                                        A long time ago, there was someone on the old coffee room whose daughter was kidnapped, raped, and killed.

                                        That was shocking, and as close as I ever got to knowing someone whose family member was the target of some despicable person.

                                        I remember what happened, as told to us. I hope the guy got the death penalty, just based upon what he did.

                                        When it's personal, even slightly personal as in the above, it all takes on a different meaning. It's not just arguing percentages. I hope the bastard fried. Him. THAT PERSON. Not the theoretical person being discussed that did nothing wrong, or at least, that is not brought up as part of the debate.

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @aqua-letifer said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                          @doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                          Using Jesus as an excuse for killing innocent people mostly died out in the middle ages.

                                          The argument that Jesus would emphatically endorse killing innocent people is hilariously dense. You can't reach the bottom of stupid that runs that deep.

                                          No, but Jesus had no problem executing guilty people. And he'll have no problem throwing folks into the depths of Hell after the White Throne Judgement, will he?

                                          If you'd like to argue either of those points, back your point up with scripture.

                                          Now, back to your original, silly statement. Jesus does have a problem with executing innocent people, but Jesus doesn't sit as the judge in the courtroom (not that I've seen or heard about) and Jesus doesn't sit in the jury box.

                                          Men do.

                                          Imperfect men, trying to create as much order out of chaos as they can, equitably and fairly. Does the system always work? No. Man is not a perfect being, so perfection is an unobtainable standard. But that does not mean we throw our hands up, don our antifa shirts and descend into anarchy? No, it does not.

                                          We do the best we can, given all the politics, quirks and foibles of mankind. Guess what? In a good system, man gets it right most of the time. According to you, in capital cases, man is 96% right. I think we can tweek that, primarily through better legal representation, and probably get it to about 98%-99% right.

                                          But you are still going to point to that one man out of a hundred. I'm going to point to the 99 who were rightly convicted. Those 99 person are costing me in excess of $2.5M/yr of incarceration.

                                          I'd rather do two things:

                                          1. Ensure justice is meted out equitable and fairly.
                                          2. Use my $2.5M for something better than housing rapists, murderers and people who douse other people in acid.
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                                          @jolly said in Meanwhile, on Long Island...:

                                          I'd rather do two things:

                                          Sounds great to me. As I said from the beginning, I don't care who disagrees with me, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

                                          Please love yourself.

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