Guilty, guilty, guilty
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@horace said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
if you accept all of that, then the question becomes whether a sane person would ever want to become a police officer.
Or a physician. There are certain professions where an "honest mistake" causes death. Discipline is appropriate - but is it manslaughter if a physician fails to provide appropriate care or if a police officer shoots someone holding a toy gun, should that individual be held to same standard as a civilian in similar circumstances? I think we have to give police some latitude; however, there still should be limits. Beating a manacled person or shooting an unarmed individual fleeing should still rise to a criminal offense.
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@kluurs said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
@horace said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
if you accept all of that, then the question becomes whether a sane person would ever want to become a police officer.
Or a physician.
But I was responding to the notion that physicians shouldn't be held criminally responsible for mistakes, while police officers should.
Lurking behind all this somewhere is how much they're paid. Police officers have their pensions, but lots of government workers have that same deal. Nobody else is asked to both enforce the law through violence, and accept that if you do it wrong in the heat of some moment, your life will be over.
Even when I was young I thought being a cop would be the worst job ever. Now, I think being a cop would be the worst job ever ever ever.
Education is extremely important.
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@kluurs said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
@horace said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
if you accept all of that, then the question becomes whether a sane person would ever want to become a police officer.
Or a physician. There are certain professions where an "honest mistake" causes death. Discipline is appropriate - but is it manslaughter if a physician fails to provide appropriate care or if a police officer shoots someone holding a toy gun, should that individual be held to same standard as a civilian in similar circumstances? I think we have to give police some latitude; however, there still should be limits. Beating a manacled person or shooting an unarmed individual fleeing should still rise to a criminal offense.
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Define appropriate care... If a doctor performs an appendectomy on somebody that was there for a pacemaker and dies as a result, then yes, that rises to criminal negligence in my mind.
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Should an officer be held to the same standards? Absolutely not. They need to be held to higher standards. They're the thin blue line? Fine. Show it. When I have a bad day, I lose a sale. When a police officer has a bad day, somebody dies. The fact that she pulled a gun instead of a taser shows bad training, and a really bad design for the taser...
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@lufins-dad said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
@Loki @Aqua-Letifer I don’t think you guys are quite getting where I am coming from.
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Chauvin needs to go to prison and he needs to go for a very long time. What he did was absolutely abhorrent. I’m a firm believer that there needs to be higher standards for police and when they cross the line there needs to be a higher price.
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In order for Chauvin to go away for a very long time, you need to absolutely make sure that you file the correct charges and that you prosecute the case in a clean and aboveboard manner. You also need to make sure that you absolutely make sure that you respect Chauvin’s rights to a fair and impartial trial.
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Because they did not do so, Chauvin should walk free on his appeal. That pisses me off for multiple reasons.
Because of the way they conducted this trial, there is not a single good outcome left to us. There is no way to point and say “That’s how justice is supposed to work!”
Absolutely agree.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@mik said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
Sentencing won't be for eight weeks.
Ahhh, still a chance for some looting. I’m sure a lot of people were disappointed this last week.
