Guilty, guilty, guilty
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The sad part, IMO? The guy does deserve to go to jail, but between prosecutorial overreach and the social “justice”, this crap will all be overturned in appeal.
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Aaannd, the mob is emboldened.
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All three. I really thought they'd split the baby.
I'm not sure the justice system worked. I think the jurors simply knew what would happen if they did not go that way. Their lives were in jeopardy.
@mik said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
I think the jurors simply knew what would happen if they did not go that way. Their lives were in jeopardy.
Indeed.
Watching CNN and MSNBC, you can almost smell the orgasm that the talking heads are experiencing.
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Chauvin was guilty of something.
The other two big cases out there - I'm more sympathetic to the officers. Kimberly Potter who mistook her sidearm for a taser - as was clearly evidenced by 1) her use of "taser, taser, taser" to warn her partner and 2) the "shit, I shot him" which suggests that was not her intent. Even prosecutors have acknowledged that. It would be difficult under Minnesota law to even find her guilty of manslaughter.
I also feel for the officer in Chicago who shot the teen who had dropped a gun before turning around and being shot.
I really think that part of adulting classes in schools is how to react to police interactions -
- Acknowledge that you are cooperating.
- Move slowly while saying what you are doing.
Needless to say, we might want better trained law personnel and perhaps better screening of who becomes an officer - but imagine how challenging that will be now with the abuse that is being put upon a whole profession.
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Someone on FB said, "I support the police in general, but maybe they'll quit hiding the bad ones."
Because that's so easy to determine before you hire them, smh.
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Someone on FB said, "I support the police in general, but maybe they'll quit hiding the bad ones."
Because that's so easy to determine before you hire them, smh.
@george-k said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
Because that's so easy to determine before you hire them, smh.
Sometimes. I had a guy who worked for me in announcing he was entering the police academy tell me in this precise language, "I look forward to f..king with people." BTW, I hadn't hired him and was happy to see him go.
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Chauvin was guilty of something.
The other two big cases out there - I'm more sympathetic to the officers. Kimberly Potter who mistook her sidearm for a taser - as was clearly evidenced by 1) her use of "taser, taser, taser" to warn her partner and 2) the "shit, I shot him" which suggests that was not her intent. Even prosecutors have acknowledged that. It would be difficult under Minnesota law to even find her guilty of manslaughter.
I also feel for the officer in Chicago who shot the teen who had dropped a gun before turning around and being shot.
I really think that part of adulting classes in schools is how to react to police interactions -
- Acknowledge that you are cooperating.
- Move slowly while saying what you are doing.
Needless to say, we might want better trained law personnel and perhaps better screening of who becomes an officer - but imagine how challenging that will be now with the abuse that is being put upon a whole profession.
@kluurs said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
The other two big cases out there - I'm more sympathetic to the officers. Kimberly Potter who mistook her sidearm for a taser - as was clearly evidenced by 1) her use of "taser, taser, taser" to warn her partner and 2) the "shit, I shot him" which suggests that was not her intent. Even prosecutors have acknowledged that. It would be difficult under Minnesota law to even find her guilty of manslaughter.
I am curious about that one too. What's the usual charge for killing someone by mistake, given that the killer entered into some sort of physical confrontation with the deceased just before the killing took place? (I.e., not the case of some one accidentally knocking a flower pot over from the balcony and killed a passer-by below, but of some one physically fighting/struggling with another person then unintentionally killed that other person as a result.)
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I watched the entire video. It is quite clear for a full 4 minutes he has stopped moving. People are screaming he’s not responsive and the cops did nothing with the knee still on the neck.
4 minutes. Didn’t even check for a pulse. Seriously?
Watch the entire video. For sure there was a big struggle but the last 4 minutes the knee was on a non-responsive man’s neck.
If I were a juror I could never get around those 4 minutes.
Link to video
Minutes 17 to 21.
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I watched the entire video. It is quite clear for a full 4 minutes he has stopped moving. People are screaming he’s not responsive and the cops did nothing with the knee still on the neck.
4 minutes. Didn’t even check for a pulse. Seriously?
Watch the entire video. For sure there was a big struggle but the last 4 minutes the knee was on a non-responsive man’s neck.
If I were a juror I could never get around those 4 minutes.
Link to video
Minutes 17 to 21.
@loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
I watched the entire video. It is quite clear for a full 4 minutes he has stopped moving. People are screaming he’s not responsive and the cops did nothing with the knee still on the neck.
4 minutes. Didn’t even check for a pulse. Seriously?
Watch the entire video. For sure there was a big struggle but the last 4 minutes the knee was on a non-responsive man’s neck.
If I were a juror I could never get around those 4 minutes.
Link to video
Minutes 17 to 21.
I agree with you, but I don't think I can watch the video.
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@Loki I agree and have been pretty vocal about my condemnation. If you’re going to support police in general, then you can’t and shouldn’t try to explain away or condone such an egregious case of abuse. This guy needs to you away for 15-20 on manslaughter charges.
Unfortunately, he will ultimately win his appeal thanks to the fomenting of civil unrest by our public officials.
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@Loki I agree and have been pretty vocal about my condemnation. If you’re going to support police in general, then you can’t and shouldn’t try to explain away or condone such an egregious case of abuse. This guy needs to you away for 15-20 on manslaughter charges.
Unfortunately, he will ultimately win his appeal thanks to the fomenting of civil unrest by our public officials.
@lufins-dad said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
he will ultimately win his appeal thanks to the fomenting of civil unrest by our public officials
And the judge's denial for a change of venue.
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What I also don’t like is the near canonization of Floyd.
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What I also don’t like is the near canonization of Floyd.
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All three. I really thought they'd split the baby.
I'm not sure the justice system worked. I think the jurors simply knew what would happen if they did not go that way. Their lives were in jeopardy.
@mik said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
All three. I really thought they'd split the baby.
I'm not sure the justice system worked. I think the jurors simply knew what would happen if they did not go that way. Their lives were in jeopardy.
The justice system did not work at all.
- The venue was not changed.
- The jury was not sequestered. They heard every word Maxine said.
- Even Biden weighed in before the unsequestered jury came in.
- I thought guilty on all three was a bit much.
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Even Barr quashed a plea deal where Chauvin agreed to go to prison for 10 years. It’s clear as day that Chauvin had his knee on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man. When the police not only don’t protect you from dying but stays on the neck for 4 minutes after he stops moving, it tells me you just never watched the video.
This is getting silly.
Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.
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Even Barr quashed a plea deal where Chauvin agreed to go to prison for 10 years. It’s clear as day that Chauvin had his knee on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man. When the police not only don’t protect you from dying but stays on the neck for 4 minutes after he stops moving, it tells me you just never watched the video.
This is getting silly.
Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.
@loki said in Guilty, guilty, guilty:
Now the overreach on “systemic racism”, and defund the police, that’s a worthy topic of debate.
Good point. Had Floyd been of a different
colorrace, do you think that the cop would have behaved in the same way?@Loki said:
on the neck of an unresponsive mentally ill man
I'm not sure he was mentally ill, but the toxicology suggests that he was impaired/intoxicated.
