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Ventilators no panacea

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  • MikM Offline
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    Makes sense to me.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • George KG George K

      @LuFins-Dad it's my understanding that they are.

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      @George-K said in Ventilators no panacea:

      @LuFins-Dad it's my understanding that they are.

      From the article:
      “ Most of our colleagues around the city are not doing this, but I sure wish other ERs would take a look at this technique closely.”

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        @George-K said in Ventilators no panacea:

        @LuFins-Dad it's my understanding that they are.

        From the article:
        “ Most of our colleagues around the city are not doing this, but I sure wish other ERs would take a look at this technique closely.”

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        @LuFins-Dad this thinking has been going around for a while:

        From April: https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4?op=1

        Initially, the Brooklyn hospital was racing to put patients on ventilators early on. Now it's relying more on high-flow oxygen therapy, in which oxygen is delivered into the lungs of patients through the nose.

        https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/14/coronavirus-covid-19-hypoxemia-high-flow-oxygen-protocol-proning-ventilators/

        Brooklyn Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell was among those who started questioning using the established ARDS protocol to treat patients, with many put on ventilators and not surviving.

        Anumber of front-line doctors adopted a protocol to deliver high-flow oxygen through a tube or mask for long periods of time and using so-called “proning” — moving patients off their backs.

        “We started having patients go to their left side or their right side and suddenly the oxygenation went up, and we’re able to reverse the hypoxemia and prevent the intubation,” Farcy said.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @LuFins-Dad this thinking has been going around for a while:

          From April: https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4?op=1

          Initially, the Brooklyn hospital was racing to put patients on ventilators early on. Now it's relying more on high-flow oxygen therapy, in which oxygen is delivered into the lungs of patients through the nose.

          https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/14/coronavirus-covid-19-hypoxemia-high-flow-oxygen-protocol-proning-ventilators/

          Brooklyn Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell was among those who started questioning using the established ARDS protocol to treat patients, with many put on ventilators and not surviving.

          Anumber of front-line doctors adopted a protocol to deliver high-flow oxygen through a tube or mask for long periods of time and using so-called “proning” — moving patients off their backs.

          “We started having patients go to their left side or their right side and suddenly the oxygenation went up, and we’re able to reverse the hypoxemia and prevent the intubation,” Farcy said.

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          @George-K said in Ventilators no panacea:

          @LuFins-Dad this thinking has been going around for a while:

          many put on ventilators and not surviving.

          OK, so ventilators might be bad

          Mr. Trump was pushing ventilators

          Blood on his hands

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            The information here has been changing so much and so fast. No one can keep up.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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