Interesting

[George K]

@doctor-phibes said in Interesting:

Do doctors get all those problems from wearing masks?

Not that I've ever seen. But, what do I know? I only spent 1976 to 2016 in an operating room.

@jolly said:

but there is a marked difference between a N95 and a surgical mask.

Yup. We would wear N95s for some cases. They were much more uncomfortable and restrictive. However, I never experienced SOB or any other symptoms.

It was just a bigger PIA than usual.

[Doctor Phibes]

Well that guy definitely doesn't like masks.

If you google the publication that published the article, it's got a pretty checkered history.

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in Interesting:

Well that guy definitely doesn't like masks.

If you google the publication that published the article, it's got a pretty checkered history.

I have a feeling Jolly posted it because he's either anti-mask or anti-what-liberals-support.

[Loki]

Interesting that no one who actually wear masks complain about any of these.

It’s a tragic way to lose a suburban and urban audience, maybe for good. It takes disconnected people to buy into this.

It really is becoming a circular firing squad.

[Doctor Phibes]

Some of the same people (not Jolly!) who claim that masks are damaging people, are also frequently the ones saying that Covid isn't actually that bad.

It's hard to argue with that logic.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in Interesting:

@doctor-phibes said in Interesting:

Well that guy definitely doesn't like masks.

If you google the publication that published the article, it's got a pretty checkered history.

I have a feeling Jolly posted it because he's either anti-mask or anti-what-liberals-support.

Nah, I'm pro-freedom.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in Interesting:

@aqua-letifer said in Interesting:

@doctor-phibes said in Interesting:

Well that guy definitely doesn't like masks.

If you google the publication that published the article, it's got a pretty checkered history.

I have a feeling Jolly posted it because he's either anti-mask or anti-what-liberals-support.

Nah, I'm pro-freedom.

[Renauda]

@jolly

Depends how you understand the concept of freedom.

[Jolly]

@renauda said in Interesting:

@jolly

Depends how you understand the concept of freedom.

It damn sure not Crown-centric as yours is.

[Doctor Phibes]

Allowing people to smoke tobacco wherever they damn well please isn't freedom, since it harms other people. The people smoking are actually adversely affecting other people's freedom.

And the the theory of the mask is that it protects others more than the wearer.

[Copper]

How much?

[Renauda]

Depends on the number of beans there are left to count.

[Doctor Phibes]

@copper said in Interesting:

How much?

67.4 Angstroms per Newton second per second squared

[Horace]

@jolly said in Interesting:

@renauda said in Interesting:

@jolly

Depends how you understand the concept of freedom.

It damn sure not Crown-centric as yours is.

I like my Royal Canadian Mint coins, but Canadians have some fetish for the queen and put her profile on every one. The maple leaf side is so much prettier.

[Renauda]

Apparently you must have missed the beaver on the back of our nickles. Heads or tails and Bob's your uncle.

[Loki]

When you can’t wear a mask after 500,000 plus people have died, you really shouldn’t participate in society.

I have no problem with freedom lovers staying home.

I just can’t stomach the arguments anymore and it’s likely to impact the way I vote.

[George K]

I've always been skeptical of the effectiveness of the masks, particularly when looking at data where masks are used (North Dakota) and not used (South Dakota). Skeptical, however, doesn't mean "denial."

I simply don't know enough, and I really doubt that anyone really does.

But that's not the point.

This is not about my "freedom." My "freedom" is not affected by putting a piece of 3 layer paper on my face. I can still do whatever the hell I want, go wherever the hell I want.

I wear a mask. No big deal. If you think it's a big deal, there's something wrong with your value system.

[Rainman]

@george-k said in Interesting:

...when looking at data...

Data. How does one tell if it is, or if it isn't.

Opinions become "facts," based upon data which is what someone with a title said. Or, it's "data" because it was printed somewhere, a self-serving Journal is good enough. Then, facts become data, or data becomes facts. Not sure how that works. But, all these facts and data certainly fill the airwaves, one can find pretty much facts and data to support a predetermined outcome. Neat system!

Masks curtail or infringe upon my 1st amendment rights of freedom of speech. With a mask, people cannot hear my wisdom nonsense as well as without a mask. I'm waiting for a call back from the ACLU. Doubly-neat system!

[George K]

@rainman said in Interesting:

Data. How does one tell if it is, or if it isn't.

Exactly.

The only studies I've seen show that in the operating room, mask do nothing to protect the patient, but do afford protection to the people standing at the table. The anesthesiologist, other personnel, are not affected or protected.

This is for bacterial infections, mind you.

Virus? Who knows?

All we have is retrospective data, trying to compare similar populations which do and do not mandate masks - this is why I bring up the Dakotas.

A controlled study will never be done, and each side of the issue will say "I TOLD you so!" five years from now.

[Jolly]

Therefore...The only real studies we have available have data for protection of the wearer, but no data for whether any disease is transmitted by the wearer.

Again, let me beat on this some more...Mask efficacy is hugely impacted by mask fit and proper wearing of the mask. If many masks are worn incorrectly, or worn past the saturation point, wonder what the transmission stats look like?