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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/548046-ny-house-democrats-demand-repeal-of-salt-cap

    House Democrats from New York on Tuesday escalated their push for the repeal of the cap on the state and local tax deduction, threatening to oppose future tax legislation that doesn't fully undo the $10,000 limit.

    "As members of the New York Congressional Delegation, we urge you to insist on full repeal of the limitation on the State and Local Tax (SALT) deduction passed by Congress in 2017 and signed into law by former President Trump," the lawmakers wrote in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). "This issue is so critical to our state and our constituents that we will reserve the right to oppose any tax legislation that does not include a full repeal of the SALT limitation."

    Every Democrat in New York's House delegation signed the letter except Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Kathleen Rice.

    Republicans created the limit on the SALT deduction in their 2017 tax cut law in an effort to help raise revenue to offset the cost of other provisions in the measure. The cap has been opposed by lawmakers on both sides of the aisle in high-tax states such as New York, New Jersey and California.

    The New York lawmakers said in their letter Tuesday that repealing the limit on the deduction would help the state's economy rebound from the coronavirus-related downturn.

    "Restoring the SALT deduction would ensure that the state is able to recover as quickly as possible without sacrificing the benefits on which our residents rely," the lawmakers wrote.

    Apologies, in advance, for saying "congressmen," but you know what I meant.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Sweet.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Nah. Tax the rich.

        If the Dems need stimulus money, infrastructure money, slush funds, etc., tax the rich.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          Found it. These guys have no sense of irony whatsoever.

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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            Nadler:

            He's right. No one should be taxed twice on the same income. They should move to NYC and be taxed three times.

            Apparently, he's not aware of state income taxes.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              Nadler:

              He's right. No one should be taxed twice on the same income. They should move to NYC and be taxed three times.

              Apparently, he's not aware of state income taxes.

              jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              @george-k

              The ‘S’ in SALT stands for ‘state’. That’s the whole point. Not paying federal taxes on your state taxes.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • kluursK Online
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                kluurs
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                I'm paying $16,000 in property taxes. Many in my community pay multiples of that. My former house in Riverside's taxes are around $25,000.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #8

                  I don't pay any property taxes on my home.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    Democrats hold a 6 seat majority. If three members of the Dems vote "no" and the GOP sticks together, any bill is dead (ties in the House are considered not approved).

                    If Nadler and the other members of the NY delegation are true to their word, the "infrastructure" bill is dead.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      Like much of Biden's agenda.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • kluursK Online
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                        kluurs
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                        #11

                        President Trump screwed the moderately well off - i.e. people owning property and paying property tax to fund a better tax cut for individuals with the highest incomes.

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                        • George KG George K

                          Nadler:

                          He's right. No one should be taxed twice on the same income. They should move to NYC and be taxed three times.

                          Apparently, he's not aware of state income taxes.

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                          @george-k said in NY congressmen call for tax breaks for the rich:

                          He's right. No one should be taxed twice on the same income.

                          The Republicans used to subscribe to that principle, then they abandoned it to pass the 2017 tax reform with Trump.

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                            https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/repealing-salt-cap-would-be-regressive-and-proposed-offset-would-use-up-needed

                            *Repealing the cap would be regressive and costly. The top 1 percent of households would receive 56 percent of the benefit of repeal, and the top 5 percent of households would receive over 80 percent of the benefit, while the bottom 80 percent of households would receive just 4 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center (TPC).[3] The cost of just the SALT provisions over ten years would be roughly $185 billion, according to Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimates.[4] If repeal were later extended through 2025 (the last year the cap is in effect under current law), we estimate that the total cost would grow to nearly $600 billion.[5]
                            *Few middle-income households would benefit. The vast majority of households in the bottom 80 percent are unaffected by the SALT cap and thus would not benefit from its repeal. Fewer than 3 percent of households in the middle income quintile (those between roughly $51,000 and $88,000 in 2018), and fewer than 10 percent of households in the fourth quintile (those between roughly $88,000 and $157,000 in 2018), would receive any tax cut from repeal, according to TPC.[6]
                            *Higher-income households affected by the cap would still receive a large net tax cut from the 2017 tax law overall. Given the controversy around the SALT cap and the attention it has received, policymakers and many filers affected by the cap may mistakenly assume that affected filers fared poorly under the 2017 law. Both nationally and in affluent states, however, households in the 95th to 99th percentiles of the income spectrum — many of whom live in affluent suburbs and may feel targeted by the SALT cap — received the largest net tax cuts from the tax law, measured as a share of pre-tax income.[7]

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              For some reason, people who don't pay much in taxes never get much benefit when taxes are reduced.

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