The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 15:40 last edited by
This is not good, presenting their own plan that I think will prove disastrous. Strangely enough Democrats are standing behind DeWine.
The money quote in this article?
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,” they wrote.“Reopening the state too soon could negate the sacrifices of those who have missed going to school, lost their livelihoods, and put their lives on hold for the greater good.”
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 16:22 last edited by
We need measurable goals.
They can change, they can be flexible, but they have to be real.
This business of whining about lives has to end.
If the goal is that zero people die from covid-19 and that it is completely gone, then say so.
Sorry, but it is getting easier and easier to label the "remain closed" people as irresponsible.
Identify the goal, measure it.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 16:28 last edited by
We’ve had them. DeWine in particular.
Some governors clearly don’t except ‘make this pressure stop’,
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 16:30 last edited by
Whining. Really. Yes, I suppose you may have been a better person fifteen years ago.
No one, and I mean no one, has suggested we have to wait until it is completely eradicated. but there is a vast range between throwing the doors open and staying shut down. DeWine is supposed to outline the plan for reopening today, but these jackals decided to throw their nonsense out before he did.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 16:41 last edited by
Who's going to vote Republican once all the old people die?
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Whining. Really. Yes, I suppose you may have been a better person fifteen years ago.
No one, and I mean no one, has suggested we have to wait until it is completely eradicated. but there is a vast range between throwing the doors open and staying shut down. DeWine is supposed to outline the plan for reopening today, but these jackals decided to throw their nonsense out before he did.
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 16:54 last edited byYes, whining
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,”
That is whining.
There is absolutely no indication that either lives or the economy can be measured.
It is just making virtuous noise.
That's nice but it doesn't lead anywhere.
I like lives as much as anyone. Go ahead and suggest that it has to be completely eradicated. At least that is something that can be discussed.
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Who's going to vote Republican once all the old people die?
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 17:07 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Who's going to vote Republican once all the old people die?
What you're really asking but don't realize it is will there be any intelligent life left in the human race once the boomer generation is gone.
The answer is yes. Step out of the crippled den of liberals where you live and visit the real America. You'll find tons of them.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 17:11 last edited by
I might add that given the way democrats have acted over the past 12 years, and the gaggle of absolute morons leading their party today, I'd look for the Democrat party to continue to get smaller. You do know the Democrat party is getting smaller, don't You?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Who's going to vote Republican once all the old people die?
What you're really asking but don't realize it is will there be any intelligent life left in the human race once the boomer generation is gone.
The answer is yes. Step out of the crippled den of liberals where you live and visit the real America. You'll find tons of them.
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 17:36 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Larry said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Who's going to vote Republican once all the old people die?
What you're really asking but don't realize it is will there be any intelligent life left in the human race once the boomer generation is gone.
The answer is yes.
So you're saying things are going to improve?
I envy your optimism.
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@Larry said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Who's going to vote Republican once all the old people die?
What you're really asking but don't realize it is will there be any intelligent life left in the human race once the boomer generation is gone.
The answer is yes.
So you're saying things are going to improve?
I envy your optimism.
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 18:22 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Larry said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Who's going to vote Republican once all the old people die?
What you're really asking but don't realize it is will there be any intelligent life left in the human race once the boomer generation is gone.
The answer is yes.
So you're saying things are going to improve?
I envy your optimism.
Yes. There will be fewer demoxrats.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 18:57 last edited by
There's going to be fewer of all of us if these fucking idiots have their way. Something that no sane person wants, I would hope.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 19:06 last edited by Axtremus
@Mik got a link to news reporting that might give more details on this?
I GoogledThe GOP revolts against DeWine on reopeningand the results mostly point to articles that are a week old or older. At the time, the protesters was protesting to get DeWind to re-open Ohio sooner rather than later. Thanks. -
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 19:53 last edited by Mik
Sorry, Ax, I thought I had included it in the first post.
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Yes, whining
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,”
That is whining.
There is absolutely no indication that either lives or the economy can be measured.
It is just making virtuous noise.
That's nice but it doesn't lead anywhere.
I like lives as much as anyone. Go ahead and suggest that it has to be completely eradicated. At least that is something that can be discussed.
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 20:02 last edited by Mik@Copper said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Yes, whining
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,”
That is whining.
There is absolutely no indication that either lives or the economy can be measured.
It is just making virtuous noise.
That's nice but it doesn't lead anywhere.
I like lives as much as anyone. Go ahead and suggest that it has to be completely eradicated. At least that is something that can be discussed.
Your argument doesn't wash. One could turn your same argument on the pro-life movement. All that whining about unborn lives is just virtue signaling.
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@Copper said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Yes, whining
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,”
That is whining.
There is absolutely no indication that either lives or the economy can be measured.
It is just making virtuous noise.
That's nice but it doesn't lead anywhere.
I like lives as much as anyone. Go ahead and suggest that it has to be completely eradicated. At least that is something that can be discussed.
Your argument doesn't wash. One could turn your same argument on the pro-life movement. All that whining about unborn lives is just virtue signaling.
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 20:16 last edited by Copper@Mik said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Copper said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Yes, whining
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,”
That is whining.
There is absolutely no indication that either lives or the economy can be measured.
It is just making virtuous noise.
That's nice but it doesn't lead anywhere.
I like lives as much as anyone. Go ahead and suggest that it has to be completely eradicated. At least that is something that can be discussed.
Your argument doesn't wash. One could turn your same argument on the pro-life movement. All that whining about unborn lives is just virtue signaling.
No.
I want a reason to reopen anything. What is that reason?
For abortion, the reason is the mother's choice. When she chooses, the baby dies, end of story. It is private.
When do we reopen? When the governor says. That is not supposed to be private, there has to be some criteria.
Nobody seems to even be talking about it. What is the goal? How is it measured?
A bunch of virtue signals doesn't get the job done, I want concrete goals. I'll don't even care if they change, just be a leader and put a stake in the ground.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 20:24 last edited by Horace
the "do more to contain it, just shut up and do more to contain it" side is perfectly content with condemning the other side as evil until they manage to think up something measurable by which we'll know we no longer have to do more, at which point each of us will finally be able to put a price on a single human life. That will be nice. I'm going to save up and buy one.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 20:41 last edited by jon-nyc
This really isn't that hard to specify at least. The idea has been spelled out for ages now. Lock down until two things happen:
- we build testing and tracing capacity
- new case count diminishes to a manageable number
Those two are are each other's metrics. The definition of 'manageable number' is that which can be handled by our testing and contract tracing capacity.
Then you can open up gradually as long as you stay within the limits of contract tracing capacity.
This is how you get society going again while maintaining a reproductive rate below 1. But it isn't really 'back to normal' until we have a vaccine and/or a reliable treatment. It is a 'dance'.
Many countries will do this successfully.
We probably won't, because of a lack of political will.
You were warned.
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@Mik said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Copper said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Yes, whining
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,”
That is whining.
There is absolutely no indication that either lives or the economy can be measured.
It is just making virtuous noise.
That's nice but it doesn't lead anywhere.
I like lives as much as anyone. Go ahead and suggest that it has to be completely eradicated. At least that is something that can be discussed.
Your argument doesn't wash. One could turn your same argument on the pro-life movement. All that whining about unborn lives is just virtue signaling.
No.
I want a reason to reopen anything. What is that reason?
For abortion, the reason is the mother's choice. When she chooses, the baby dies, end of story. It is private.
When do we reopen? When the governor says. That is not supposed to be private, there has to be some criteria.
Nobody seems to even be talking about it. What is the goal? How is it measured?
A bunch of virtue signals doesn't get the job done, I want concrete goals. I'll don't even care if they change, just be a leader and put a stake in the ground.
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 20:56 last edited by@Copper said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Mik said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
@Copper said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
Yes, whining
“We oppose any plan that disproportionately prioritizes the economy over people’s lives,”
That is whining.
There is absolutely no indication that either lives or the economy can be measured.
It is just making virtuous noise.
That's nice but it doesn't lead anywhere.
I like lives as much as anyone. Go ahead and suggest that it has to be completely eradicated. At least that is something that can be discussed.
Your argument doesn't wash. One could turn your same argument on the pro-life movement. All that whining about unborn lives is just virtue signaling.
No.
I want a reason to reopen anything. What is that reason?
For abortion, the reason is the mother's choice. When she chooses, the baby dies, end of story. It is private.
When do we reopen? When the governor says. That is not supposed to be private, there has to be some criteria.
Nobody seems to even be talking about it. What is the goal? How is it measured?
A bunch of virtue signals doesn't get the job done, I want concrete goals. I'll don't even care if they change, just be a leader and put a stake in the ground.
And concrete goals are being assessed and rolled out as we speak. Oh, and trying to get out of it by saying private/non-private is a bunch of hooey.
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This really isn't that hard to specify at least. The idea has been spelled out for ages now. Lock down until two things happen:
- we build testing and tracing capacity
- new case count diminishes to a manageable number
Those two are are each other's metrics. The definition of 'manageable number' is that which can be handled by our testing and contract tracing capacity.
Then you can open up gradually as long as you stay within the limits of contract tracing capacity.
This is how you get society going again while maintaining a reproductive rate below 1. But it isn't really 'back to normal' until we have a vaccine and/or a reliable treatment. It is a 'dance'.
Many countries will do this successfully.
We probably won't, because of a lack of political will.
wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 21:04 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The GOP revolts against DeWine on reopening:
This really isn't that hard to specify at least. The idea has been spelled out for ages now. Lock down until two things happen:
- we build testing and tracing capacity
- new case count diminishes to a manageable number
Those two are are each other's metrics. The definition of 'manageable number' is that which can be handled by our testing and contract tracing capacity.
Then you can open up gradually as long as you stay within the limits of contract tracing capacity.
This is how you get society going again while maintaining a reproductive rate below 1. But it isn't really 'back to normal' until we have a vaccine and/or a reliable treatment. It is a 'dance'.
Many countries will do this successfully.
We probably won't, because of a lack of political will.
Is that a prediction? I'll take the other side of that. I mean if you think America is going to be a coronavirus disaster after we loosen up restrictions.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2020, 21:04 last edited by Copper
private/non-private was a reply to the abortion analogy, abortion is private, governance is public.
This isn't abortion, I should have just ignored that, my bad
What jon said is just fine, what you said is fine.
I still have no clue from our elected leaders what will cause the opening to happen.
If the answer is, new case count diminishes to a manageable number.
That is great. That is what I thought the deal was - flatten the curve. But, of course, the flattened curve is undefined.
There should be a countdown clock hanging in Times Square with the manageable number on it, updating every time the number changes.
