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Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!

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    Loki
    wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 21:42 last edited by
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    I wonder what a Venn diagram of Apple Watch wearers and people who had a 8-10% drop in pulse ox and didn’t notice it would look like.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 21:42 last edited by
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      Seems like they double the price when they put the word 'pilot' on it.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 21:45 last edited by
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        I think you're still missing the script here, Loki. What is being reported is a drop in sats without SOB. Google 'silent hypoxia'.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • L Loki
          26 Apr 2020, 20:50

          One would think by the time you had a pulse ox issue you would have very significant other issues. It’s not like you get up cook breakfast have a nice convo put your finger in a pulse ox and say holy shit call the ambulance.

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          Mik
          wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 21:47 last edited by
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          @Loki said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

          One would think by the time you had a pulse ox issue you would have very significant other issues. It’s not like you get up cook breakfast have a nice convo put your finger in a pulse ox and say holy shit call the ambulance.

          You can be quite short of oxygen and not necessarily notice it. When I was in the hospital last December they fluid overloaded me with IVs caused my normally 95+ SPO2 to drop to high 70's in room air. I never noticed it and was not short of breath. In this case you are short because COVID is damaging your lungs asymptomatically.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • J jon-nyc
            26 Apr 2020, 21:45

            I think you're still missing the script here, Loki. What is being reported is a drop in sats without SOB. Google 'silent hypoxia'.

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            Loki
            wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 21:48 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

            I think you're still missing the script here, Loki. What is being reported is a drop in sats without SOB. Google 'silent hypoxia'.

            If it’s a matter of going from 92 to 88 without knowing it I get it...I am not buying a 98 to 88 drop silently.

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            • J jon-nyc
              26 Apr 2020, 21:42

              Seems like they double the price when they put the word 'pilot' on it.

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              George K
              wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 21:56 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

              Seems like they double the price when they put the word 'pilot' on it.

              You should see what they do for "medical" devices.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • L Loki
                26 Apr 2020, 21:48

                @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                I think you're still missing the script here, Loki. What is being reported is a drop in sats without SOB. Google 'silent hypoxia'.

                If it’s a matter of going from 92 to 88 without knowing it I get it...I am not buying a 98 to 88 drop silently.

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                Mik
                wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 22:02 last edited by
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                @Loki said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                I think you're still missing the script here, Loki. What is being reported is a drop in sats without SOB. Google 'silent hypoxia'.

                If it’s a matter of going from 92 to 88 without knowing it I get it...I am not buying a 98 to 88 drop silently.

                You could easily drop from 99 to 88 and never notice.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • G George K
                  26 Apr 2020, 21:56

                  @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                  Seems like they double the price when they put the word 'pilot' on it.

                  You should see what they do for "medical" devices.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 22:25 last edited by
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                  @George-K said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                  @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                  Seems like they double the price when they put the word 'pilot' on it.

                  You should see what they do for "medical" devices.

                  Or “MIL-SPEC”.

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                  • A Axtremus
                    26 Apr 2020, 22:25

                    @George-K said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                    @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                    Seems like they double the price when they put the word 'pilot' on it.

                    You should see what they do for "medical" devices.

                    Or “MIL-SPEC”.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 22:55 last edited by
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                    @Axtremus said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                    @George-K said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                    @jon-nyc said in Thanks, FDA! You've saved us from pulse oximetry!:

                    Seems like they double the price when they put the word 'pilot' on it.

                    You should see what they do for "medical" devices.

                    Or “MIL-SPEC”.

                    Decades ago, heart surgeons were trying a different type of suture to close the sternum when finishing a CABG. They used a suture called "Mersiline" (not sure if I spelled it right). It was a real suture, and was meant to replace the traditional use of wires to approximate the two halves of the sternum that had been sawed apart.

                    I guess Mersiline was fine, but was a bitch to get that last knot down to get a nice and tight closure. You had to get that knot really down, tight, on the sternum to get it to hold.

                    One of the surgeons I worked with had a brilliant idea. He took a regular teaspoon, and cut a notch in the tip that would be big enough to accommodate the suture and allow him to apply good pressure while pushing down on the knot to bring the suture "home."

                    It worked really great, but, ultimately, it was forbidden because it was not a "medically approved device."

                    Merseline was eventually abandoned, and we went back to standard wires.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 23:15 last edited by
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                      Still have the wires in my chest. Occasionally the TSA guys take notice.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        George K
                        wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 23:17 last edited by
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                        Wires are forever.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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