Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment
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@lufins-dad said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@doctor-phibes said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@lufins-dad said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@doctor-phibes said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@lufins-dad said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I’ve been very vocal about my opposition to a vaccine passport and requirements to vaccinate.
Scaling back coverage is the wrong way to go. Raising premiums? That I’m good with. Set the premiums at the same level you would a smoker...
The problem with refusing vaccination is that it's not just you that you're putting at risk. They've banned smoking in most public places to avoid the dangers of passive smoking.
You’re wrong. Every single vaccine on the market is showing 100% effectiveness against serious cases and death. 100%. You are putting nobody else at risk except yourself and others choosing to accept that same risk. Period.
Beyond that, if the goal is to get needles in the arm, threats aren’t going to work. You will actually have fewer people get vaccinated that way.
What about people who can't get vaccinated due to health issues? If you don't get vaccinated, aren't you putting them at risk?
What about future variants which are almost likely to have more resistance to the vaccinations?
We already require children to have the flu vaccine in school. This is worse than the flu.
I don’t have the time to answer this in depth. All I will say is that if you want to get needles in arms, making it mandatory will not work. I’m surprised we’re still having this conversation after the whole masking debate. Yes, masks help. No, mask mandates do not help... The more you push mandatory vaccinations, the harder theee people will resist.
You're probably right. I'm just getting a little tired of being constantly reminded that I'm sharing a planet with a bunch of fucking idiots.
No offence to any idiots out there.
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@doctor-phibes said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
What about people who can't get vaccinated due to health issues? If you don't get vaccinated, aren't you putting them at risk?
The percentage of people actually at risk for that must be measured several places right of the decimal point.
Off the top of my head I'd guess about a million times less likely than getting hit by lightning.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I am not willing to pay higher taxes because of the resistors.
The additional tax paid because of covid vaccine resistors can't be more than a few pennies.
It is certainly trillions and trillions of dollars less the cost of fat people who eat too much.
Cut off the fat people first.
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@copper said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I am not willing to pay higher taxes because of the resistors.
The additional tax paid because of covid vaccine resistors can't be more than a few pennies.
It is certainly trillions and trillions of dollars less the cost of fat people who eat too much.
Cut off the fat people first.
Why are you so interested in the rights of vaccine deniers? I don’t get it.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I have to agree. Hopefully the resistance will fade over time as it may well become a social pressure thing. But trying to force it will not help. Mandate it where it is necessary like schools and healthcare facilities, but not a broad every citizen mandate.
Resistance is definitely fading. The surveys show it. It’s time however for those who actively resist it to see what their life will look like. Of course there will be exceptions and of course people will game the exceptions, no need to obsess on the edge conditions as this just filibustering.
My take is if you feel so strongly on your principles then be willing to pay the 1000 times the cost for treatment as well as restricted movement in society.
I am not willing to pay higher taxes because of the resistors.
About four miles from where I'm sitting, there is a multi-church singing meeting, a week from this Friday.
Those folks would have no problem at all, telling you to piss up a rope. Nicely, and with the Love of Jesus in their heart, but piss up a rope is the definite action that will be suggested.
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@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I have to agree. Hopefully the resistance will fade over time as it may well become a social pressure thing. But trying to force it will not help. Mandate it where it is necessary like schools and healthcare facilities, but not a broad every citizen mandate.
Resistance is definitely fading. The surveys show it. It’s time however for those who actively resist it to see what their life will look like. Of course there will be exceptions and of course people will game the exceptions, no need to obsess on the edge conditions as this just filibustering.
My take is if you feel so strongly on your principles then be willing to pay the 1000 times the cost for treatment as well as restricted movement in society.
I am not willing to pay higher taxes because of the resistors.
About four miles from where I'm sitting, there is a multi-church singing meeting, a week from this Friday.
Those folks would have no problem at all, telling you to piss up a rope. Nicely, and with the Love of Jesus in their heart, but piss up a rope is the definite action that will be suggested.
And no empathy for the lives they put at risk by not being vaccinated and expecting best healthcare? I really do want to understand.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@jolly said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
I have to agree. Hopefully the resistance will fade over time as it may well become a social pressure thing. But trying to force it will not help. Mandate it where it is necessary like schools and healthcare facilities, but not a broad every citizen mandate.
Resistance is definitely fading. The surveys show it. It’s time however for those who actively resist it to see what their life will look like. Of course there will be exceptions and of course people will game the exceptions, no need to obsess on the edge conditions as this just filibustering.
My take is if you feel so strongly on your principles then be willing to pay the 1000 times the cost for treatment as well as restricted movement in society.
I am not willing to pay higher taxes because of the resistors.
About four miles from where I'm sitting, there is a multi-church singing meeting, a week from this Friday.
Those folks would have no problem at all, telling you to piss up a rope. Nicely, and with the Love of Jesus in their heart, but piss up a rope is the definite action that will be suggested.
And no empathy for the lives they put at risk by not being vaccinated and expecting best healthcare? I really do want to understand.
Because they feel that it is their choice on whether to be vaccinated or not. Most will be, some won't. Some will have had COVID and feel they now have natural immunity.
But all will agree that man cannot live in fear. If God decides your time is up, be prepared, because your time is up.
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@brenda said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@jolly Jolly, do they refuse all vaccinations, some, or just the COVID vaccination?
Depends on the person.
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@brenda said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@jolly Jolly, do they refuse all vaccinations, some, or just the COVID vaccination?
I’ll tell you that around here it’s mostly the COVID vaccines. It’s not your typical antivaxxer. A lot of people I know that are hesitant about the vaccine (including a few nurses and a physician) are concerned that there’s not enough time to really look for long term effects and this has been rushed. In addition, they feel like the virus poses an immediate and personal threat. Yes, it does pose a threat on a broad scale to society, but they would likely just have mild symptoms. Unfortunately, they haven’t had the experience of reading through George’s thread about his daughter to see what a mild case can mean.
The most important word in that paragraph is hesitant. They aren’t dead set against it, they just want to wait a little and see what happens...They will likely get the vaccine once they start seeing people aren’t turning into lizards six months from now. If you try to strong arm them, however...
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@lufins-dad said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@brenda said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@jolly Jolly, do they refuse all vaccinations, some, or just the COVID vaccination?
I’ll tell you that around here it’s mostly the COVID vaccines. It’s not your typical antivaxxer. A lot of people I know that are hesitant about the vaccine (including a few nurses and a physician) are concerned that there’s not enough time to really look for long term effects and this has been rushed. In addition, they feel like the virus poses an immediate and personal threat. Yes, it does pose a threat on a broad scale to society, but they would likely just have mild symptoms. Unfortunately, they haven’t had the experience of reading through George’s thread about his daughter to see what a mild case can mean.
The most important word in that paragraph is hesitant. They aren’t dead set against it, they just want to wait a little and see what happens...They will likely get the vaccine once they start seeing people aren’t turning into lizards six months from now. If you try to strong arm them, however...
Hundreds of millions have taken the vaccine yet they know something others don’t. That either special or a special kind of...
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@lufins-dad said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@brenda said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@jolly Jolly, do they refuse all vaccinations, some, or just the COVID vaccination?
I’ll tell you that around here it’s mostly the COVID vaccines. It’s not your typical antivaxxer. A lot of people I know that are hesitant about the vaccine (including a few nurses and a physician) are concerned that there’s not enough time to really look for long term effects and this has been rushed. In addition, they feel like the virus poses an immediate and personal threat. Yes, it does pose a threat on a broad scale to society, but they would likely just have mild symptoms. Unfortunately, they haven’t had the experience of reading through George’s thread about his daughter to see what a mild case can mean.
The most important word in that paragraph is hesitant. They aren’t dead set against it, they just want to wait a little and see what happens...They will likely get the vaccine once they start seeing people aren’t turning into lizards six months from now. If you try to strong arm them, however...
Hundreds of millions have taken the vaccine yet they know something others don’t. That either special or a special kind of...
As if those hundreds of millions “know something”? They’re just going with the flow. And some relatively small percentage of people are more hesitant than others to not go with the flow when it comes to putting some medical concoction in their body. In their defense, that was probably an advantageous bias up to about 100 years ago.
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I actually agree about coercion being a bad idea.
It's also a little early to be alienating people who haven't been vaccinated when the US still hasn't managed to vaccinate anywhere near the number of people it needs to.
Let's not start pointing fingers until after we've actually got a solution in place.
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@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
An excellent point. The longer this goes on and the more successful it is the more people will change their minds.
Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now to take a shot you have to wonder about a whole lot of things that go on in their brains. I know people are entitled to their own set of facts but I am not going along for that ride.
I would not vote for a vaccine hesitant person. Ever.
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@loki said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
@mik said in Another reason to vaccinate: you pay for treatment:
An excellent point. The longer this goes on and the more successful it is the more people will change their minds.
Okay but I will tell you if you can’t convince someone by now to take a shot you have to wonder about a whole lot of things that go on in their brains. I know people are entitled to their own set of facts but I am not going along for that ride.
I would not vote for a vaccine hesitant person. Ever.
Good, don't vote for them. That's your right.
It's also somebody else's right as to whether they want to be vaccinated. Or not.
Now, you and Joe can conjure up whatever Mark of the Beast you wish, but I think you're really going to have a hard time ramming that one through the courts. Probably a third of the healthcare staff at the rural hospital where I still do PRN work have not been vaccinated. Different reasons, ranging from having had COVID, to vaccine reactions, to just not wanting to take it.
Whatever. I'm not going to cower in a corner, waiting for the Grim Reaper of COVID. A couple of reasons...1) Nobody knows how much immunity the vaccination confers. Six months from now, there may be a subset of vaccinated people who are contagious and transferring the disease. So, even if we vaccinate everybody, it may not be the panacea everybody craves. 2) The jury is still out on vaccinations and how well they will work against mutations. They may not.
So now, what do we have left? We have a portion of the population who refuse to be vaccinated, for whatever reason. We have a possibility that some vaccinated people will have antibody drops and limited T-cell immunity or no T-cell immunity at all, causing them to walk around with a vaccination card in their wallet, while still being able to catch the disease and pass it on. Or we may have mutations against which the vaccine does not work, rendering the vaccination card in their wallet useless. We may wind up in a situation where we figure out the most prevalent strains, a la influenza, and vaccinate for the season.
In the case of the latter, how will Joe and Loki impart a Mark of the Beast? Permanent chipping or tatooing will not work against an ever-changing enemy.
