"Death and Lockdowns"

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Is Fauci an expert?

Maybe not, but that wasn't his role.

You had the media on one hand saying all doom and gloom, a lot of "well it could be" this or that, and on the other, you had Trump. I know you liked the guy, but it's a fact that plenty of Americans found his COVID messaging very underwhelming.

Why Fauci became the mouthpiece is exactly why conservatives voted for Trump: enough people, rightly or wrongly, felt like they were getting straight talk from him that they weren't getting anywhere else.

If most of the nation felt the media or Trump's messaging adequate, you or I wouldn't know who Fauci is.

Well, pick your Fauci advice:
A) No mask
B) One Mask
C)Two masks
D)All of the above

If you answered "D", well, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won!

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Well, pick your Fauci advice:
A) No mask
B) One Mask
C)Two masks
D)All of the above
If you answered "D", well, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won!

You do realize how science works, right? Backtracking, waffling, changing one's story and being for something before being against it is literally how scientists adapt to changing data? Are you gonna call all docs quacks because they no longer drill into temples to cure headaches?

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Well, pick your Fauci advice:
A) No mask
B) One Mask
C)Two masks
D)All of the above
If you answered "D", well, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won!

You do realize how science works, right? Backtracking, waffling, changing one's story and being for something before being against it is literally how scientists adapt to changing data? Are you gonna call all docs quacks because they no longer drill into temples to cure headaches?

No, I don't know how science works. I don't even know the process of treating people that have an unknown organism that is killing them.

Don't have a clue...

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

No, I don't know how science works. I don't even know the process of treating people that have an unknown organism that is killing them.
Don't have a clue...

That's what I'm saying. I know you know how science works. So why are you implying that Fauci "changed his story" when you know damn well he's trying to provide the best information he can as it becomes available?

I didn't say he's right about everything or that his messaging has been perfect. Those aren't the same as the above.

I also don't understand what gives with hating the guy and ginning up this weird narrative about him "backtracking."

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

No, I don't know how science works. I don't even know the process of treating people that have an unknown organism that is killing them.
Don't have a clue...

That's what I'm saying. I know you know how science works. So why are you implying that Fauci "changed his story" when you know damn well he's trying to provide the best information he can as it becomes available?

I didn't say he's right about everything or that his messaging has been perfect. Those aren't the same as the above.

I also don't understand what gives with hating the guy and ginning up this weird narrative about him "backtracking."

Exchange the word "Fauci" for "Trump". See what you get.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Exchange the word "Fauci" for "Trump". See what you get.

Nope, the round doesn't go to you! I win because I drew that parallel first!

The difference is, though, far more people thought Fauci had their interests at heart. Only diehard Trumpists felt that way about Trump when it came to his COVID messaging. This might be largely the media's fault, but that's how I think it went down.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Exchange the word "Fauci" for "Trump". See what you get.

Nope, the round doesn't go to you! I win because I drew that parallel first!

The difference is, though, far more people thought Fauci had their interests at heart. Only diehard Trumpists felt that way about Trump when it came to his COVID messaging. This might be largely the media's fault, but that's how I think it went down.

Again, what would another President have done differently? Not rhetoric, but action.

[Renauda]

@horace said in "Death and Lockdowns":

I don't think either one of you is being sincere in your compliments.

Actually it depends how you wish to define clever. If clever were to be interpreted as something original or intelligent you are correct. If, on the hand, you wish to interpret clever as in something being a cheap shot laced with snark, you are incorrect.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Again, what would another President have done differently? Not rhetoric, but action.

For presidents, rhetoric matters, especially during a global pandemic. Rhetoric is what got Trump elected. It's also what got him impeached.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Again, what would another President have done differently? Not rhetoric, but action.

For presidents, rhetoric matters, especially during a global pandemic. Rhetoric is what got Trump elected. It's also what got him impeached.

Rhetoric is cheap. Actions are golden.