"Death and Lockdowns"

[Rainman]

I've wondered what the effect will be on children growing to adulthood, when there has been such a press to sterilize everything in the home and everywhere. I've seen classified staff with sprayers, it must kill every pathogen in any room or office. Everyone using hand sanitizers, stores running out of disinfectants, and so on.

Does the immune system need the calisthenics of numerous colds while growing up, to fight off viruses later in life?

[Copper]

No way

I'm not hung up on the possible meaning of the Gospel

Aqua is saying that mild flu-like symptoms turned out to be some kind of government mistake

That is not the case, mild flu-like symptoms, or less, is in fact the case for a good number of cases, probably most

If gospel means strictly everyone then I apologize I did not mean any harm to those with other symptoms

[Copper]

@renauda said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@copper

Perhaps a TV station will call on your experience for an interview. Just think you could be on RT as an expert on this matter.

What a clever post!

[Renauda]

@copper

Not nearly as clever anything you have posted. I bow to your preeminence.

[Horace]

I don't think either one of you is being sincere in your compliments.

[Doctor Phibes]

My dad had cancer in the 1980's. He had a small operation, and then he was ok.

Cancer's no big deal. This is gospel.

And here's a smart post to go with the gospel. It's wearing a hat and everything.

Now, everybody needs to get back to work.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Did we make mistakes?

Hell yeah we did.

Given what we knew, when we knew it, were mistakes made? And the following question is if the kowledge base changed, why didn't we change with it?

Because we're stupid. We care more about doing whatever the hell we want than listening to experts and making good decisions.

Is Fauci an expert?

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Is Fauci an expert?

Maybe not, but that wasn't his role.

You had the media on one hand saying all doom and gloom, a lot of "well it could be" this or that, and on the other, you had Trump. I know you liked the guy, but it's a fact that plenty of Americans found his COVID messaging very underwhelming.

Why Fauci became the mouthpiece is exactly why conservatives voted for Trump: enough people, rightly or wrongly, felt like they were getting straight talk from him that they weren't getting anywhere else.

If most of the nation felt the media or Trump's messaging adequate, you or I wouldn't know who Fauci is.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Is Fauci an expert?

Maybe not, but that wasn't his role.

You had the media on one hand saying all doom and gloom, a lot of "well it could be" this or that, and on the other, you had Trump. I know you liked the guy, but it's a fact that plenty of Americans found his COVID messaging very underwhelming.

Why Fauci became the mouthpiece is exactly why conservatives voted for Trump: enough people, rightly or wrongly, felt like they were getting straight talk from him that they weren't getting anywhere else.

If most of the nation felt the media or Trump's messaging adequate, you or I wouldn't know who Fauci is.

Well, pick your Fauci advice:
A) No mask
B) One Mask
C)Two masks
D)All of the above

If you answered "D", well, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won!

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Well, pick your Fauci advice:
A) No mask
B) One Mask
C)Two masks
D)All of the above
If you answered "D", well, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won!

You do realize how science works, right? Backtracking, waffling, changing one's story and being for something before being against it is literally how scientists adapt to changing data? Are you gonna call all docs quacks because they no longer drill into temples to cure headaches?

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Well, pick your Fauci advice:
A) No mask
B) One Mask
C)Two masks
D)All of the above
If you answered "D", well, Don Pardo, tell him what he's won!

You do realize how science works, right? Backtracking, waffling, changing one's story and being for something before being against it is literally how scientists adapt to changing data? Are you gonna call all docs quacks because they no longer drill into temples to cure headaches?

No, I don't know how science works. I don't even know the process of treating people that have an unknown organism that is killing them.

Don't have a clue...

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

No, I don't know how science works. I don't even know the process of treating people that have an unknown organism that is killing them.
Don't have a clue...

That's what I'm saying. I know you know how science works. So why are you implying that Fauci "changed his story" when you know damn well he's trying to provide the best information he can as it becomes available?

I didn't say he's right about everything or that his messaging has been perfect. Those aren't the same as the above.

I also don't understand what gives with hating the guy and ginning up this weird narrative about him "backtracking."

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

No, I don't know how science works. I don't even know the process of treating people that have an unknown organism that is killing them.
Don't have a clue...

That's what I'm saying. I know you know how science works. So why are you implying that Fauci "changed his story" when you know damn well he's trying to provide the best information he can as it becomes available?

I didn't say he's right about everything or that his messaging has been perfect. Those aren't the same as the above.

I also don't understand what gives with hating the guy and ginning up this weird narrative about him "backtracking."

Exchange the word "Fauci" for "Trump". See what you get.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Exchange the word "Fauci" for "Trump". See what you get.

Nope, the round doesn't go to you! I win because I drew that parallel first!

The difference is, though, far more people thought Fauci had their interests at heart. Only diehard Trumpists felt that way about Trump when it came to his COVID messaging. This might be largely the media's fault, but that's how I think it went down.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Exchange the word "Fauci" for "Trump". See what you get.

Nope, the round doesn't go to you! I win because I drew that parallel first!

The difference is, though, far more people thought Fauci had their interests at heart. Only diehard Trumpists felt that way about Trump when it came to his COVID messaging. This might be largely the media's fault, but that's how I think it went down.

Again, what would another President have done differently? Not rhetoric, but action.

[Renauda]

@horace said in "Death and Lockdowns":

I don't think either one of you is being sincere in your compliments.

Actually it depends how you wish to define clever. If clever were to be interpreted as something original or intelligent you are correct. If, on the hand, you wish to interpret clever as in something being a cheap shot laced with snark, you are incorrect.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Again, what would another President have done differently? Not rhetoric, but action.

For presidents, rhetoric matters, especially during a global pandemic. Rhetoric is what got Trump elected. It's also what got him impeached.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in "Death and Lockdowns":

@jolly said in "Death and Lockdowns":

Again, what would another President have done differently? Not rhetoric, but action.

For presidents, rhetoric matters, especially during a global pandemic. Rhetoric is what got Trump elected. It's also what got him impeached.

Rhetoric is cheap. Actions are golden.