The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems
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Yeah this is as stupid as it is typical.
A medical ethicist is someone who fails trolley problems for a living.
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Yeah, but there is something really odd about all of the issues AZ keeps happening. All the European resistance to the vaccine, all the times AZ has shot themselves in the foot with seemingly minor missteps...It really feels like there is a story behind the scenes that we may never know.
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"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
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@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
Maybe they've got better media contacts.
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@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
Maybe they've got better media contacts.
@doctor-phibes said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
And yet you aren’t hearing anything about clotting with Moderna and Pfizer...
Maybe they've got better media contacts.
Well, that’s part of what I am wondering. Why is AZ having so many difficulties? Real or perceived?
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@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.
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@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened. Now maybe a couple of days to a week will make little difference but the appearance of calling out a big bad wolf and saying they can’t shoot it is a horrible look.
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
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@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
@doctor-phibes said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Europe appeared to have the upper hand with its government controlled single payer systems until this happened.
The British NHS is currently doing very well, so I don't think you can pin the blame on single-payer government-funded systems.
I’ve lauded Great Britain every step of the way on approvals and wished the US just took their analysis. Would have saved many US lives for sure and excess deaths used to be the benchmark until the election.
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I just don't see the risk of the AZ vaccine being anywhere near the large magnitude of the benefits.
There's a shot clock on a mutation that can change the game here. It may never come - but the possibility is always there.
Everyone needs to be vaccinated ASAP.
Lockdowns have some pretty real side effects.
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Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
The Brad
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I get you - but I didn't realize that Europe is the beating heart of anti-vax sentiment.
The reports of the AZ thing are things like "a person got a shot then a few days later got a brain bleed". With social media - all it takes is a few anecdotes to make a story.
With millions of people getting vaccinated - you'll always be able to connect dots.
I just haven't seen the data to say that the reported things weren't coincidence.
I think officials suspending an approved vaccine without clear evidence feeds into undermining confidence.
But I do get what you're saying LD - you have to keep trust as high as possible. This is a tough one.
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Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Right now you are dealing with a statistically significant portion of the population in Europe (and the US) that is very nervous about any COVID vaccine. Continuing to push on approval for a vaccine that is getting this bad press can cause more damage to the overall vaccination effort than benefit. Let the processes work and show confidence in those processes.
The panic is based out of complete ignorance on the part of those concerned. The vaccine is new to them, so they're freaking the hell out. But none of the technology is new. Literally at all. It'd be like being afraid of buying a 2022 model Camry because you just now learned that cars run off of a combustion engine, and explosions scare you.
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@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
We’ve tried coaxing.
The vast majority of Americans haven't even had the opportunity to make an appointment. Many states are still in 1C.
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Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
95% efficacy vs getting the disease, and 100% efficacy against anything beyond mild cold symptoms. Get your vaccine when you are able, wait your 30 days for full efficacy, then lead your life without any concerns. If somebody chooses to not get theirs, then that is on them. If they want to risk it, it’s their call. Who cares?
The Brad
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Re the above, it seems to me if approval isn’t imminent they should send them to Canada with the idea that Canada will redirect equivalent numbers back here once we do approve.
@jon-nyc said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Re the above, it seems to me if approval isn’t imminent they should send them to Canada with the idea that Canada will redirect equivalent numbers back here once we do approve.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-mexico-idUSKBN2BA22S
“U.S. to share 4 million doses of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine with Mexico, Canada”
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@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
95% efficacy vs getting the disease, and 100% efficacy against anything beyond mild cold symptoms. Get your vaccine when you are able, wait your 30 days for full efficacy, then lead your life without any concerns. If somebody chooses to not get theirs, then that is on them. If they want to risk it, it’s their call. Who cares?
@lufins-dad said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
@loki said in The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has problems:
Vaccine passports takes care of this very nicely. We’ve tried coaxing. Time to move on or all our lives and livelihoods will be majorly impacted.
Enough already.
95% efficacy vs getting the disease, and 100% efficacy against anything beyond mild cold symptoms. Get your vaccine when you are able, wait your 30 days for full efficacy, then lead your life without any concerns. If somebody chooses to not get theirs, then that is on them. If they want to risk it, it’s their call. Who cares?
Works for me...
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If somebody offered me the chance, I'd tear their arm off.
It's maybe a little early to be pointing the finger of self-righteous fury at people who haven't been vaccinated. I'm still silently and busily mouthing 'wanker' at people shopping without a mask on. If nothing else, wearing a mask is great for dealing with irritation.
