Near the top half of his class.
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The saddest thing about this is the educational establishment’s current solution to this problem is to define it away.
@jon-nyc said in Near the top half of his class.:
The saddest thing about this is the educational establishment’s current solution to this problem is to define it away.
This is the danger of letting social problems get out of hand.
Wealth inequality for example - I think it's important to tackle, not because there needs to be equality, but because you don't want people to lose faith in the system.
Once they do - they may come up with much more drastic solutions, and they can vote.
I feel like something similar may have happened with woke culture.
There are real problems in certain minority communities - but there probably was a dismissive tone from the "other side" about having to bootstrap yourself out of it.
Now (once you have all this weird woke shit going now), the "other side" would probably want nothing more than to talk about solutions to the actual problems in minority communities.
To be clear - I'm not blaming the "other side". It's just, sometimes you have to get over being "right" and working on a solution.
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No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
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No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
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@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
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No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
On this specific point - isn't learning to read by age 3 very early? I think you're saying they should begin to learn by then. (agreed - that'd be best)
The English part is a bit debatable. My parents didn't know how to speak English. My English was probably poor at age 4 (though I did have cousins in the same house who spoke English).
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@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
@jolly said in Near the top half of his class.:
@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
That would work. Basically parent replacement.
Is it palatable on a large scale? The program would have to be voluntary.
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It's not the strict standard that matters, it's holding the student to the strict standard.
If they don't meet the standard - too bad. They don't get the all expense paid trip to college.
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
It's not the strict standard that matters, it's holding the student to the strict standard.
If they don't meet the standard - too bad. They don't get the all expense paid trip to college.
I think we're talking about 2 different problems though. I don't think many kids are headed to any sort of college where the top half GPA is 0.13
That's a whole other level of messed up.
You're talking about the "everyone can go to college with government student loans" problem. Which should be pulled back. But, I'm guessing people with 0.13 GPAs are not ending up in college. I'd be floored if that were the case.
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@jolly said in Near the top half of his class.:
@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
That would work. Basically parent replacement.
Is it palatable on a large scale? The program would have to be voluntary.
@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@jolly said in Near the top half of his class.:
@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
That would work. Basically parent replacement.
Is it palatable on a large scale? The program would have to be voluntary.
Solutions are not always palatable.
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@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
On this specific point - isn't learning to read by age 3 very early? I think you're saying they should begin to learn by then. (agreed - that'd be best)
The English part is a bit debatable. My parents didn't know how to speak English. My English was probably poor at age 4 (though I did have cousins in the same house who spoke English).
@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
On this specific point - isn't learning to read by age 3 very early? I think you're saying they should begin to learn by then. (agreed - that'd be best)
The English part is a bit debatable. My parents didn't know how to speak English. My English was probably poor at age 4 (though I did have cousins in the same house who spoke English).
That's why I didn't say just 3, I said 3 or 4.
No, 3 is not too early for many students.
Spoken English matters especially for those born in this country.
A ghetto vocabulary is not going to help anyone.
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His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
@doctor-phibes said in Near the top half of his class.:
His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
Agree with this.
From the article
"She thought her oldest son was doing well because even though he failed most of his classes, he was being promoted. "Why did not she take the responsibility to contact the school? Schools cannot (and should not) be the baby sitter for parents.
Sad story all around. It is probably that he has no good future. His mother is obviously not real aware of things.
And so the circle continues.
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@doctor-phibes said in Near the top half of his class.:
His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
Agree with this.
From the article
"She thought her oldest son was doing well because even though he failed most of his classes, he was being promoted. "Why did not she take the responsibility to contact the school? Schools cannot (and should not) be the baby sitter for parents.
Sad story all around. It is probably that he has no good future. His mother is obviously not real aware of things.
And so the circle continues.
@taiwan_girl said in Near the top half of his class.:
@doctor-phibes said in Near the top half of his class.:
His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
Agree with this.
From the article
"She thought her oldest son was doing well because even though he failed most of his classes, he was being promoted. "Why did not she take the responsibility to contact the school? Schools cannot (and should not) be the baby sitter for parents.
Sad story all around. It is probably that he has no good future. His mother is obviously not real aware of things.
And so the circle continues.
Many of these children do not have a stable home and shuttled from relative to relative. They come to school hungry, tired and scared.
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@taiwan_girl said in Near the top half of his class.:
@doctor-phibes said in Near the top half of his class.:
His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
Agree with this.
From the article
"She thought her oldest son was doing well because even though he failed most of his classes, he was being promoted. "Why did not she take the responsibility to contact the school? Schools cannot (and should not) be the baby sitter for parents.
Sad story all around. It is probably that he has no good future. His mother is obviously not real aware of things.
And so the circle continues.
Many of these children do not have a stable home and shuttled from relative to relative. They come to school hungry, tired and scared.
@loki said in Near the top half of his class.:
@taiwan_girl said in Near the top half of his class.:
@doctor-phibes said in Near the top half of his class.:
His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
Agree with this.
From the article
"She thought her oldest son was doing well because even though he failed most of his classes, he was being promoted. "Why did not she take the responsibility to contact the school? Schools cannot (and should not) be the baby sitter for parents.
Sad story all around. It is probably that he has no good future. His mother is obviously not real aware of things.
And so the circle continues.
Many of these children do not have a stable home and shuttled from relative to relative. They come to school hungry, tired and scared.
Yep, and as they grow up, they think it is normal and do not know any different. So they repeat the same mistakes, probably not even knowing they are mistakes until it is too late.
