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Quarrel in the annals of music theory

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    h/t Quirt:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/arts/musicology-journal-race-free-speech.html

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      I read that over there. It would seem Ewell's main argument is 'I'm black so you cannot disagree with me'. It detracts from any legitimate points he may have.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        @axtremus said in Quarrel in the annals of music theory:

        https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/arts/musicology-journal-race-free-speech.html

        Ewell's main success seems to be in becoming controversial.

        https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/2838/beethoven-was-an-above-average-composer?_=1614365506707

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          A couple other things are wrong here.

          First, once again judging actions of the past by today's standards. A fool's errand.

          And secondly, by trying to say racism was behind western music developing primarily around itself and not embracing other cultures' music is absurd. Being able to hear and appreciate that music is a very new development. It really was not a part of the environment for most anyone then. In that respect I would say American music has been very enlightened as black music has shaped popular music for over a century now, and has spread to Europe as well.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            A couple other things are wrong here.

            First, once again judging actions of the past by today's standards. A fool's errand.

            And secondly, by trying to say racism was behind western music developing primarily around itself and not embracing other cultures' music is absurd. Being able to hear and appreciate that music is a very new development. It really was not a part of the environment for most anyone then. In that respect I would say American music has been very enlightened as black music has shaped popular music for over a century now, and has spread to Europe as well.

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            @mik said in Quarrel in the annals of music theory:

            Being able to hear and appreciate that music is a very new development.

            One of the points that Greenberg makes in his music courses is that, until the early 20th century, the ONLY ways that one could hear music was to either attend a performance, or make it yourself.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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