Who killed Ashli Babbitt?
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 16:32 last edited by
I'm still amazed that only one person was shot.
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 16:40 last edited by jon-nyc
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
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Just think, if Trump hadn't architected the Great Lie that woman would be happily spreading memes about fake snow today instead of lying in a box underground.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 16:42 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Just think, if Trump hadn't architected the Great Lie that woman would be happily spreading memes about fake snow today instead of lying in a box underground.
I guess you didn’t listen to or dismissed Sam Harris’s podcast with General McChrystal and Chris Fussell.
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Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 16:47 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of indiscriminate gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
Security was abhorrent. The Mayor begged for no national guard presence. Capitol police was biased based on prior events of this nature. Right wing unrest was building for decades.
The 250+ arrested were 2/3 over 34, only 13% members of right wing groups, 40% were biz owners and or white collar, and only 9% unemployed. I can only imagine the other thousands were probably even more of that nature. Not your typical riot crowd if you were evaluating your invaders in real time.
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 16:49 last edited by jon-nyc
Imagine if it was the white house. Would anybody have pondered the demographics and employment status of the crowd rushing the building?
Or would they have done what then needed to do to stop it?
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 16:56 last edited by
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 16:57 last edited by
Anyone with any relationship to Congress the capitol police or FBI or Secret Service knows exactly who shot that woman.
That kind of information would spread instantly in any organization.
How has it been kept quiet is the question.
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 17:37 last edited by
Miriam Carey... Still don't know who shot her, either.
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Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 17:38 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
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@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 18:05 last edited by@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
So with other police shootings the media demands immediate release of not just names but body cams, 911 calls and all evidence and any delay is excoriated. You disagreed with all that I assume?
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 18:08 last edited by
There seem to be different standards for LEO vs the Secret Service and Capitol Police. None of you took note of that fact last year when each were involved in a shooting.
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 18:09 last edited by
I assume that, since we don’t know his name, his medal ceremony will have to be private.
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There seem to be different standards for LEO vs the Secret Service and Capitol Police. None of you took note of that fact last year when each were involved in a shooting.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 18:37 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
There seem to be different standards for LEO vs the Secret Service and Capitol Police. None of you took note of that fact last year when each were involved in a shooting.
The media too? That’s news to me. I’m trying to figure out how that works with social media as well.
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@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
So with other police shootings the media demands immediate release of not just names but body cams, 911 calls and all evidence and any delay is excoriated. You disagreed with all that I assume?
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 18:59 last edited by Renauda@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
So with other police shootings the media demands immediate release of not just names but body cams, 911 calls and all evidence and any delay is excoriated. You disagreed with all that I assume?
Yes as a matter of fact I did and continue to disagee.
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Miriam Carey... Still don't know who shot her, either.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 19:06 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
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@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 19:35 last edited by@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
And that was with potential lawsuits and ALOT of media attention.
No, I don’t have a problem with the identity being kept quiet. I just wish that the same standard be applied towards police at the local level until the cases are fully investigated. How many officers have had their lives ruined because of the quick judgement of the mob that almost always winds up being based on incorrect facts.
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@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
And that was with potential lawsuits and ALOT of media attention.
No, I don’t have a problem with the identity being kept quiet. I just wish that the same standard be applied towards police at the local level until the cases are fully investigated. How many officers have had their lives ruined because of the quick judgement of the mob that almost always winds up being based on incorrect facts.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 19:38 last edited by Doctor Phibes@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@lufins-dad said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Miriam Carey
Case in point and that happened in 2013.
And that was with potential lawsuits and ALOT of media attention.
No, I don’t have a problem with the identity being kept quiet. I just wish that the same standard be applied towards police at the local level until the cases are fully investigated. How many officers have had their lives ruined because of the quick judgement of the mob that almost always winds up being based on incorrect facts.
I don't have a problem with keeping them anonymous, as long as the investigation is genuine, and there are safeguards against a whitewash (no pun intended)
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wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 19:49 last edited by
Too bad the media and social media don’t feel the way people do here. Plastered all over the news is the right to know which law enforcement officer murdered the victim yet in this case crickets.
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@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of indiscriminate gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
Security was abhorrent. The Mayor begged for no national guard presence. Capitol police was biased based on prior events of this nature. Right wing unrest was building for decades.
The 250+ arrested were 2/3 over 34, only 13% members of right wing groups, 40% were biz owners and or white collar, and only 9% unemployed. I can only imagine the other thousands were probably even more of that nature. Not your typical riot crowd if you were evaluating your invaders in real time.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 22:02 last edited by@loki said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Honestly when a large mob overwhelms the force protecting a branch of government a hail of indiscriminate gunfire is probably indicated.
Would anybody expect otherwise had it been the White House?
Security was abhorrent. The Mayor begged for no national guard presence. Capitol police was biased based on prior events of this nature. Right wing unrest was building for decades.
The 250+ arrested were 2/3 over 34, only 13% members of right wing groups, 40% were biz owners and or white collar, and only 9% unemployed. I can only imagine the other thousands were probably even more of that nature. Not your typical riot crowd if you were evaluating your invaders in real time.
The one thing they all had in common though was they all drank the orange koolaid. I hear it's powerful stuff.
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@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
wrote on 25 Feb 2021, 22:07 last edited by@renauda said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
@jon-nyc said in Who killed Ashli Babbitt?:
Less than a year ago the Secret Service shot a man outside the white house complex that they deemed a threat.
They didn't release the shooter's name.
That could be an inconvenient fact for some who feel they have a need to know about the Babbitt shooting.
I am certain that an internal investigation has already taken place and the officer involved has been accordingly cleared of any wrong doing. I realise there are people who feel and insist they have a need to know about this, but at the end of the day they do not have any need, let alone any right to know about a lot of internal police and security matters.
You argue in the face of the fact we know the name of the officer in any public police shooting (within U.S., U.S. citizen).
So, why not in this case?